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Thread: Everyone wants to be an Internet star

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    Everyone wants to be an Internet star

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    For me, youtube used to be an entertaining way of seeking practical information.
    And to live life vicariously through the experiences of others. If you're not in a position to buy a broken down sunken wreck of a trawler to turn into a floating palace....see someone else do it, video by video, from the comfort of your computer screen, while they do the hard yards and you sip a coffee.

    I've always reckoned that handyman as I am, there are countless smarter people than me on the planet, and I can learn from them.

    So I turn to youtube for everything from how to assemble solar panels on a boat, to replacing a usb charging port on a mobile phone to the merits of a MPPT solar charger over a PWM.

    Now, once upon a time, without further ado, as soon as you clicked "play", up would come moving pictures of the installation or repair in progress. Yeah, the camera work was--and still is-- all over the place, swish pans, jerky movements darting about to and from whatever is being described...

    But at least we saw what was being described, right?

    Now, everyone is under some 10 seconds of fame delusion that he or she is a television presenter.

    You click play, and up comes the said person, talking "Hello, Youtubers, today I'm going to talk to you about...."

    And talk they do. Instead of showing it, they talk about it, with their face front and centre for most if not all of the duration.

    Or you have people from commercial companies standing behind a bench talking, talking, talking and not showing, showing, showing.

    It's an unfortunate downside of the internet age, where fame has become the aspiration and motivation. After all, you don't go on Married At First Sight because you are ugly and lovelorn and desperate to find a spouse....

    You go on there because you are good looking and believe it will enhance your career.

    Sad, but unfortunately true.

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    Yep, sadly YouTube is fast approaching its use by date, now about 14 years old, wont be long before something new and innovative dislodges it, I still find it useful, but, as you say everybody wants their brief moment of glory.
    Everything has a life span, even the behemoth that was once Hollywood has fallen on hard times thanks to streaming services.

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    Everyone wants to be an internet star

    I don't. I value whatever rapidly diminishing privacy I've got left.
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    No, those people are still out there. Plenty of them too, you just aren't seeing them. And it's not your fault.

    Youtube is a key and often sole source of income for a lot of people, far more so than it used to be. The hobbyist and average man who just wants to share part of his world and maybe help someone else without expecting anything in return can be found hidden under the vast bulk of people who are in it to make money.

    The youtube algorithm favours certain things and is why you only see certain videos when you search for something, or see particular videos on your home page or recommended feed.
    The videos you want to see, that the algorithm isn't interested in, are buried way under the first page or two of search results.
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    Yelta, true what you say when fads come and go quickly and new ones are courted.
    What is also working to the detriment of youtube is the incessant ads.
    The ones which can be skipped in 4 seconds I can (barely) tolerate.
    The ones which have to playout for their entire 30 seconds duration are a pain...and the ones which pop up unannouced anywhere in the video are intolerable.
    You're watching Maria Callas hitting the highs of Casta Diva at the Met and suddenly some shrill pop nightmare "music" background to an ad for a car stops La Diva mid note.

    Then there are the loud, annoying, obscure and obtrusive music tracks the "hello youtubers" feel the need to drown out their own voice and fill every frame of their video when golden silence would have been ah, so much more welcome.

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    That's true Noidle...they are there to be found, it's just that it takes so many spooling and clicking to find them.



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    I wouldn't call it a fad Robusto, 14 years is quite a run, I simply think its almost run it course.

    When kids see their parents using something like YouTube they feel its time to move to something that better reflects younger attitudes, it happens with every generation.

    I'm sure something of a similar ilk will replace it.

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    I wasn't referring to youtube as a fad, but to today's world where nothing lasts, because of the frenetic
    pace of life and the perceived apparent short attention span of millenians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    ...swish pans...
    That's some fairly specific terminology - you haven't worked in broadcast television by any chance robusto?

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    It's not that difficult to get rid of their ads, which is one of the reasons why their old model is in trouble.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeHack View Post
    That's some fairly specific terminology - you haven't worked in broadcast television by any chance robusto?
    No comment on the grounds of self-incrimination!!
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    Is it the platform that creates the wannabe stars or the wannabe stars efforts that result in the creation of the platform/s? Newspapers have been around for 400years, Theatre longer, other forms of mass communication have been around much much longer than that, there have always been those that desire notoriety (at any cost) and wealth (whatever that is) via communication platforms and others that simply wish to share, others are doing their job. Instant access via the internet and screens have facilitated a much faster and efficient communication... the percentage of the population that craves the limelite may have increased due to the present ease of access to instant communication as has the potential size of an instant available audience, there is still a healthy percentage of well intended contributors without hidden agendas - as there has always been. I'm sure Fads can be restricted to content only - generally. I did not stop watching television because my parents did, simply I did not watch shows they enjoyed and vice versa. Generalising - 50s rock was a teen rebellion against Crooners, 60s and 70s Hippy was a teen revolt against rockers, Punk was a teen uprising against hippy and glam rock etc etc etc. The platforms they were broadcast on did not change due to a change in culture - only the content. I switched early to MP3 music whilst others were still using MDs, CDs and tapes, that switch didn't change the content I enjoyed. Electronics creates more wannabes? - maybe, possibly, definitely, - not convinced that it is a bad thing though.

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    Nothing changes, this from Socrates almost 2500 years ago.

    "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
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    Pretty sure Socrates suicided prior to being executed by his peers - as a heretic - was that unjust?, was he just a limelite seeking wannabe stirring up the masses with his version/s of truth/facts via communications? It appears you are right Yelta - things have not changed - only the method of delivery.

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    Its kind of a moot point, I believe he was sentenced to death by drinking poison, he supposedly drank it willingly, so was it suicide or execution? they seemed to use a different rationale back then, guess if it was self administered no one person could have the finger pointed at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    No comment on the grounds of self-incrimination!!
    Well my zenith was five years doing OB horse racing for Sky Channel during my uni days, I'd be surprised if there was anything lower than that on the pecking-order!
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    I would be devastated to lose access to YouTube as I enjoy it for several different purposes.
    I mainly use it to watch/listen to music videos of my favourite 100 - 150 songs from previous decades. I like to do this on a Sunday afternoon - singing along - whilst drinking a good red/white - sometimes with friends.
    As entertainment, I enjoy the clips by John Cardogan, the car guy.
    Occasionally I search for some instructional videos and agree that it can take a while to find something useful among the preponderance of dross clogging up the site.
    I have never had a problem with advertising however, and didn't even know there were Ads on there.
    A mate suggested that I should download my favourite music videos. It never occurred to me that there was any chance of losing access to them but maybe that is a possibility for the reasons mentioned above.
    I am now giving that serious consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    As entertainment, I enjoy the clips by John Cardogan, the car guy.
    I was made aware of him on these pages (possibly by you Rocky) - his delivery is highly entertaining.

    There is an absolute plethora of drivel on YouTube, however you really don't have to look far at all to unearth the gold.

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    Yeah, John Cardogan makes me laugh. I know some find him intensely annoying. I like anything a bit outrageous.

    I was a bit freaked out at Yelta's comments as I would hate to lose my 'sing-along' video clips on YouTube.
    I had some house-guests here last week and they were totally blown away by the "eat-drink-sing" session on Sunday.
    Loved it and copied all my words for the 150-odd songs that I sing-along to.
    They will be having their own back in Brisbane.
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    you tube saved me a tonne of money today Ive a one month out of warranty bosch front loader and figured out the door latch needs replacing, 5 mins on youtube, 10mins swearing at washer, part removed, 10 more minutes and ordered a $45 part and fix myself.
    that's all I use youtube for, how to fix stuff, but so many have this idea of quitting jobs to be a youtube star I had a laugh good luck to them, Ive better things to do, like finding another azkoyen!
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    The change with youtube was their monetising through ads.

    If you know the details behind most clips now try at fat it out over 10 minutes and thatís to do with ads and the amount of ads that can be placed within.

    Thatís where the long intros and waffle comes from.

    When you realise how much money is being made from these channels they are just trying to make a career out of it.

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    I guess the thing about YouTube is that we, the user, have the freedom to just move on if we think they are a DH. I often do that if the presenter is inarticulate or talks crap.
    There is a huge amount of rubbish out there and it is up to the user whether they watch it.
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