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    political Correctness Madness

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    The politically correct ABC has the results of a survey on political correctness showing that 68% of Australians say it has gone too far.
    Not surprisingly, its most ardent exponents, the Greens, have shown how out of touch with reality and the mainstream they are by arguing it doesn't go far enough.

    Results here https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...lysis/11742380


    In practice, PC dictates that in seeking not to offend minorities -- we offend majorities instead.

    It dictates that to accommodate the whims of a few, we ban the long-standing innocuous customs or practices of the majority.

    And of course, it is used to shut down debate and free speech and thus turn a blind eye to insidious elements.
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    I agree with your sentiments Robusto, Ita says we need to bring back the larrikin element, its her ABC that's done it's level best to destroy this very aspect of our culture.

    Seems the ABC was out to stir the pot this morning.

    I've just finished a rant about them here. https://coffeesnobs.com.au/off-topic...tml#post665074

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    I think it is good that people don’t feel free to publicly denigrate minorities through taunts or misplaced humour.

    I think being politically correct carries a cost but there are benefits too.

    I look at the U.S. where you have total freedom to say anything. It has become a toxic racially polarised mess.

    Everything has a cost including unrestricted freedom to say whatever you want.
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    Wattgn, I don't think denigration and taunting of minorities and political correctness are necessarily related. You can be as unpolitically correct as possible without denigrating someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I think it is good that people don’t feel free to publicly denigrate minorities through taunts or misplaced humour.
    A shame the same courtesy isn't extended by the minorities to the majority and their viewpoint.

    An example of this is when illegal or bad behavior is called out but then the person doing the calling out is subsequently labelled as racist, sexist, phobic this or that etc. just because the perpetrator happens to identify with one of these groups. Using your minority identity as a cover for your bad/illegal behavior is despicable.
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    i find that people who complain about the 'PC police' are those who are used to taking the piss out of certain groups and are now irritated that this casual 'humour' is no longer acceptable. nobody likes to change.
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    In the 2004 (!wow) movie "Team America World Police" there is a (I find) very funny scene set in the UN where Gary gives a speach that offers a comical perspective on the dogmatists v pragmatists and moderates debate. I would post a link but it contains strong larrakin language. Search "team america un speech" - it's a tricky scene to search by content :-). Anything that encourages the leader of one nation to wear full head covering is a positive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    i find that people who complain about the 'PC police' are those who are used to taking the piss out of certain groups and are now irritated that this casual 'humour' is no longer acceptable. nobody likes to change.
    The interesting thing is that the "unwritten" laws the PC police try to enforce are totally inconsistent. Recently I've paid attention to content on TV where women have behaved in a sexist or chauvinistic way towards men which wouldn't be tolerated if the roles were reversed. When I've mentioned this to my partner she dismisses it with "well women have had to put up with it for years". Really? Women now get to behave in a way that they aggressively criticise and prosecute men for? On some live to air TV shows, the sexist comments and the ogling of bare chested men goes way beyond what I ever remember men saying about women on TV. This is what equality looks like post "#Me Too" ?

    As far as not taking the piss goes, it only seems to apply to non-ethnic Australians. Take a look at an episode of Fat Pizza. Pretty ordinary TV but ethnics taking the piss out of everybody including themselves. No one is spared.

    The episode I saw had an ethnic guy in a hotted up HQ being stopped by the Police, dragged out of the car and pretend beaten up while being told he's under arrest. "What am I under arrest for?" he asks. The cop responds, "Being Lebanese in a public place!"

    A non-ethnic wouldn't get away with making this sort of TV show these days.
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    I think some of us here are at cross purpose.
    The PC I'm talking about is not an antidote for bad behaviour, such as denigrating people of any persuasion, or making sick jokes about minorities.
    I think singling those sorts of things out as defining why we have to have PC is ignoring what PC really is about...

    I'm talking about banning references to Christmas at schools.
    Removing gender specific references such as "boy" or "girl" , "mum" or "dad".
    Empowering anyone to wake up any day and decide what "gender" their whim would like them to be -- and the rest of us having to go along with the absurdity,
    Removing gender from Victorian driver's licences when the licence is one of the most used forms of security ID
    Pandering to asylum seekers and other immigrants coming to this free country with all its virtuous, who then agitate to change it to their own customs and lifestyle.
    Shutting down as racist the calling out of criminal and similar behaviour--as Cafelotta pointed out -- by minority immigrant groups.
    Emasculating police forces from doing their jobs swiftly and effectively.
    The ABC tv panels almost nightly having as mandatory a muslim representative even though muslims are a mere 2.6 per cent of the population. But is a voice also given to to Buddhists who comprise 2.4%, Greeks with 1.8%, Italians with 5%? No.
    Having a different set of values and laws for the majority of Australians, and another for minority groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    Having a different set of values and laws for the majority of Australians, and another for minority groups.
    Which laws are you specifically referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    The ABC tv panels almost nightly having as mandatory a muslim representative even though muslims are a mere 2.6 per cent of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    The politically correct ABC has the results of a survey on political correctness showing that 68% of Australians say it has gone too far.
    To correct that for an ABC report: 32% of all Australians believe that political correctness hasn't gone far enough

    I don't watch the news on any channel anymore. I started thinking, who determines what news is important to me? Is the 6pm news that important that it dictates what is important in my life?
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    I think Australia is maybe a bit too PC but not enough to be an issue. We need protections for people and minorities and people of undetermined sex etc. Immigation debates quickly turn racist if not controlled.

    Nothing is ever perfect but the balance we have is way better than in the U.S..

    Things are changing and some people don't like it and don't understand it. IMHO people need to chill a bit. In the fullness of time most things get sorted. I too wonder about gender determination but I'd rather let it run it's course and see where we are in ten or twenty years. The facts ultimately emerge on whether such things are good or bad.

    Religion is sensitive too but I see faults among born again christians such as SCOMO and some fundamentalist Muslims. I believe though in separation of church and state and the role of the state is to provide protection in law for all groups including from nasty forms of racism which often manifest in social posts.

    I don't see why our public behaviour should involve incendiary and pointless debates that we wouldn't countenance if speaking with the group or people in question face to face.

    In the U.S. it is a tragedy that people are free under the first amendment to say some nasty and pointless debates that lead to further division. I don't want to see that happen here.

    I have two cousins in the U.S. and used to live there. I'm in contact every day. We don't want to import their crap ideas into this country. They can rot in their own self created mess over there.
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    Saeco User, you obviously don't watch The Drum. I don't watch Q and A and I stopped watching The Drum but I do channel surf.

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    "The Drum" lost my interest after watching a couple of shows; mostly just aimless rabbiting on without reasoned conclusions being reached - Pointless for the most part.

    I do watch various news broadcasts on SBS from time to time though, never hurts to hear about issues from someone else's perspective...
    Shows on the ABC like "Foreign Correspondent" are usually very interesting to watch and listen to as well, but these days (budget cuts?), seems that it is only broadcast half-a-dozen times a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan77 View Post
    I started thinking, who determines what news is important to me?
    Who said all hope is lost? You're on the right path there dan77.

    By the way, that is the essence of why Media Ownership Regulations were developed in an attempt to avoid a total monopoly of what is broadcast on TV/Radio or published in print media. Unfortunately, the rise of on-line publishing and commentary with virtually no restrictions, has largely bypassed the intention of limiting the influence of individuals. All that's needed now days is a barrow full of emotion to push a point and an endless supply of drones to jump on board the train without asking the important questions beforehand. Reason and commonsense take a back seat on the carriage that's left behind at the station.
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    ABC's "Q&A" has always been a bit of a bad joke for it's biased and propaganda-loaded topics/panelists/compere.
    "The Drum" is much the same, providing a platform for 'activists' to push a range of PC topics.
    It panders to and encourages the 'virtue signallers' and seeks to punish anyone putting a contrary viewpoint.
    Freedom of speech is steadily being eroded in this country by fanatical vocal minorities with a barrow to push who try to intimidate anyone who holds a different view to them.
    A lot of people are happy to swallow the propaganda no matter how irrational it is without looking at the consequences a bit further down the line.
    Appeasement and conflict avoidance are a good way to wake up one day and find that all your individual freedoms are gone.
    Once upon a time we seemed to be able to apply a bit of common sense to an issue but this is becoming a very rare characteristic in Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    A lot of people are happy to swallow the propaganda no matter how irrational it is without looking at the consequences a bit further down the line.
    Appeasement and conflict avoidance are a good way to wake up one day and find that all your individual freedoms are gone.
    I have never found either SBS or ABC particularly extreme or likely to erode our freedoms. I think we are lucky to have these public broadcasters who aren't powered by advertising revenue and vested interests including oil and mining companies.

    I wonder specifically what offends you?

    It seems climate change which is proven by science and in need of urgent attention by the world seems to strike a hot button with conservatives who package it up with LGBT and gender issues, anti-abortion and other stuff and of course immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    ABC's "Q&A" has always been a bit of a bad joke for it's biased and propaganda-loaded topics/panelists/compere.
    "The Drum" is much the same, providing a platform for 'activists' to push a range of PC topics.
    It panders to and encourages the 'virtue signallers' and seeks to punish anyone putting a contrary viewpoint.
    Freedom of speech is steadily being eroded in this country by fanatical vocal minorities with a barrow to push who try to intimidate anyone who holds a different view to them.
    A lot of people are happy to swallow the propaganda no matter how irrational it is without looking at the consequences a bit further down the line.
    Appeasement and conflict avoidance are a good way to wake up one day and find that all your individual freedoms are gone.
    Once upon a time we seemed to be able to apply a bit of common sense to an issue but this is becoming a very rare characteristic in Australia.
    really? Can’t help but think you’ve contradicted yourself...
    on the one hand you are quoting “biased and propaganda-loaded topics/panelists/compere”
    on the other you are promoting freedom of speech.
    isnt what you’re suggesting is biased propaganda someone else’s free speech?
    all the ABC & SBS are doing are giving them a voice.
    Isnt this what we aspire to in a democratic society?

    If you want activists with a political agenda tune into Sky After Dark
    I can’t help but think, if Ive read and interpreted your comments correctly, you might enjoy it.
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    Ok boomer.

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    Cognitive dissonance and implicit bias are a real problem, we all do it. Anyone wishing to actually improve their thinking skills for living a better life I can highly recommend "Skeptics Guide to the Universe". Its contents are what should be studied by all high school kids from year 7 onwards.

    As for free speech? the new enemy / axe to grind?
    Where in this country has your freedom to talk about whatever you want been physically shut down on a personal level?

    If you do not like the opinions of others whether or not they are well supported by credible evidence then turn it off, dont read it, dont listen or walk away. There are irrational people on all sides / all through the political spectrum, always have always will be.

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    No contradiction, flashpixx.
    I have no problem with individuals putting their viewpoints no matter how irrational.
    What annoys me is when the "forum" clearly sponsors/promotes a particular viewpoint - left/right/radical/green.
    The 'context' of the forums I mentioned create an environment in which PC is encouraged, virtue signallers are praised and anyone putting an even mildly non-PC-endorsed view is crucified.
    I don't watch Sky or read the Murdoch rags for the same reasons - blatant bias.
    Steve - just go to a public forum of any kind, anywhere and try to express an opinion that does not accord with the vocal-PC minority that infest the audience.
    It is facile to suggest that if you do not like the coverage/treatment/presentation of news or issues - just turn off the TV or trash the newspaper. We have to get our "news" from somewhere and I would have thought it was not too much to ask that the information would be balanced and impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    We have to get our "news" from somewhere and I would have thought it was not too much to ask that the information would be balanced and impartial.
    It never has been at time in history so why would they start now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I would have thought it was not too much to ask that the information would be balanced and impartial.
    impossible. the very nature of reporting news is that you are choosing what you deem is worthy to be reported, owing to your own unbalanced and partisan values.

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    Its not impossible, at one time, many years ago, the ABC was a paragon of virtue, comprehensively reporting the facts and would never be heard to offer personal commentary or heaven forbid opinions.
    The above reads a bit like a fairy story doesn't it?

    It seems these times are long gone, with almost every presenter putting their own personal spin on things.
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    Well, no, woodhouse. I would have said that :
    "The very nature of reporting news is that you report "news" impartially REGARDLESS of what YOU deem is worthy to be reported, putting aside your own biased and partisan values."
    That is where the 'professionalism' comes in to the role of reporter or news channel.
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    chances are that you deemed it more impartial as they aligned with your own values at the time.

    i think this because i find the ABC to be very impartial, but maybe if you feel so much that they aren't, i'm also suffering from the above.
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    Anyone that thinks that any media has ever been unbiased is kidding themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Its not impossible, at one time, many years ago, the ABC was a paragon of virtue, comprehensively reporting the facts and would never be heard to offer personal commentary or heaven forbid opinions.
    The above reads a bit like a fairy story doesn't it?

    It seems these times are long gone, with almost every presenter putting their own personal spin on things.
    I stopped watching Q&A on the ABC because I lost patience with host Tony Jones constantly limiting or shutting down commentary by guests whose point of view didn't align with his own personal strongly biased views. When a panel discussion becomes an exercise in pushing your personal agenda and not allowing free comment by all, I'm out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Its not impossible, at one time, many years ago, the ABC was a paragon of virtue, comprehensively reporting the facts and would never be heard to offer personal commentary or heaven forbid opinions.
    The above reads a bit like a fairy story doesn't it?
    MBFC is a webisite that investigates media bias. It's stated aim is "MBFC’s aim is to inspire action and a rejection of overtly biased media. We want to return to an era of straight forward news reporting."

    It's conclusion on the ABC "Overall, we rate ABC News Australia, Left-Center Biased based on story selection that moderately favors the Left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and being a certified fact checker."

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Anyone that thinks that any media has ever been unbiased is kidding themselves.

    And I suspect that anyone making claims like this has had no exposure to ABC radio of the 40's 50's and 60's.

    Life experience does tend to broaden your outlook, as well as help develop insight.

    I suspect the response to the above may well be (O.K. Boomer) that's fine by me, as they say better to have been a has been than a never was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saeco_user View Post
    MBFC is a webisite that investigates media bias. It's stated aim is "MBFC’s aim is to inspire action and a rejection of overtly biased media. We want to return to an era of straight forward news reporting."

    It's conclusion on the ABC "Overall, we rate ABC News Australia, Left-Center Biased based on story selection that moderately favors the Left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and being a certified fact checker."

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/
    The interesting point is that in the MBFC link there is a poll that indicates perception of the ABC is seen as having a left bias by 58% of respondents and a right bias by only 5.35%, pretty compelling numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    And I suspect that anyone making claims like this has had no exposure to ABC radio of the 40's 50's and 60's.

    Life experience does tend to broaden your outlook, as well as help develop insight.

    I suspect the response to the above may well be (O.K. Boomer) that's fine by me, as they say better to have been a has been than a never was.
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    I grew up listening to and especially watching the ABC. I used to think that the ‘news’ was just news, ie. reported facts, whether that came from the tv, radio or newspaper. I now realize that there’s no such thing is fully factual, unbiased reporting. It’s just not possible. Even if a story is delivered without a slant there’s bias in simply choosing what stories to report. How bias affects the media has changed a lot and is changing more rapidly, but it’s always been there. I remember doing something at high school where we looked at Australian newspaper stories from the early ‘40s. We were blown away by how heavy on the propaganda they were and even though Australia had been a sovereign nation for 40 years by then the papers might as well have been British. I’m not saying all of this is bad, it just is. The problem is when people think there’s only one truth. The truth (the facts) is the thing that happens during an event. Even the first person to relay those events to someone else is not relaying the truth rather the story that has come to be in their mind as a reflection of that truth. At best it will leave bits out, at worst it might as well be fiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    The interesting point is that in the MBFC link there is a poll that indicates perception of the ABC is seen as having a left bias by 58% of respondents and a right bias by only 5.35%, pretty compelling numbers.
    The other interesting point is the ABC is till rated "High for factual reporting"

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    Just interestingly for a coffee website, the C17th establishment and popularity of "classless" Coffee Houses had a role in what and how the news was reported and in estalbishing early news press, similar issues were popular then.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...18th_centuries
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I remember doing something at high school where we looked at Australian newspaper stories from the early ‘40s. We were blown away by how heavy on the propaganda they were and even though Australia had been a sovereign nation for 40 years by then the papers might as well have been British. I’m not saying all of this is bad, it just is.
    Had a smile at this, you do realise that in the early 40's Australia was fully involved in the second world war and censorship (for very good reason) was rife, of course there was propaganda (our freedom was literally at stake) when your very existence is under threat political correctness goes out the window, people do what they have to do to survive, these really were extraordinary times.

    "By the middle of 1941, Australian factories were in full war production mode, women were undertaking jobs traditionally held by males and civilians were volunteering to work for the war effort.

    In December, Japan formally entered the war, and many Australians were convinced Japan would try to invade them. Blackout restrictions were mandated, air raid sirens were installed, barbed wire was implemented along beaches on the east coast and families dug air raid shelters.
    The prime minister took on extraordinary wartime powers, the government enforced strict censorship of media and Australians born in other countries (mainly Germany, Italy, and Japan) were placed in internment camps."


    And remember in 1941 Australia had a population of just over 7 million, over 1 million were involved in the war effort
    yes we were very British in that era, now we're very American (what a vast improvement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeco_user View Post
    The other interesting point is the ABC is till rated "High for factual reporting"
    Its also shown to have emotionally loaded headlines.


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    "In review, ABC News uses emotionally loaded headlines pertaining to US Politics such as this “Donald Trump kicked off his re-election campaign by making socialism into 2020’s dirty word.” ABC News has a section under world news dedicated to US news titled “Trump’s America”, with most stories being Anti-Trump. When it comes to national politics, ABC News publishes articles with loaded headlines and criticizes the center-right government “Scott Morrison said all the right things after Christchurch attack, but his history tells another story.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Its also shown to have emotionally loaded headlines.


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    "In review, ABC News uses emotionally loaded headlines pertaining to US Politics such as this “Donald Trump kicked off his re-election campaign by making socialism into 2020’s dirty word.” ABC News has a section under world news dedicated to US news titled “Trump’s America”, with most stories being Anti-Trump. When it comes to national politics, ABC News publishes articles with loaded headlines and criticizes the center-right government “Scott Morrison said all the right things after Christchurch attack, but his history tells another story.”
    Sounds like fair news headlines to me. We lived in the U.S. for a decade while growing up. Socialism is a very loaded negative word there 'socialised medicine' is a term bandied about even though they have Medicare for retired people. Anyone who hasn't lived there might find it hard to appreciate how long the history of this misused term is or how strongly the vibe is against 'socialism'. It is different here. The ABC are informing you of something that is quite true.

    'Trump's America' is an apt headline. He is becoming a virtual dictator. Not only is it in his DNA but he knows how to misuse and sidestep laws and conventions as he did as a real estate developer and it looks like it might become impossible to dislodge him. He isn't our friend or anyone's except the loony right and climate denying morons.

    You at least did report what displeased you. I think once people say what headlines they dislike then the problem can be examined.

    I think thank God for the ABC. Overall excellent although I only use their online news service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Had a smile at this, you do realise that in the early 40's Australia was fully involved in the second world war and censorship (for very good reason) was rife, of course there was propaganda (our freedom was literally at stake) when your very existence is under threat political correctness goes out the window, people do what they have to do to survive, these really were extraordinary times.

    "By the middle of 1941, Australian factories were in full war production mode, women were undertaking jobs traditionally held by males and civilians were volunteering to work for the war effort.

    In December, Japan formally entered the war, and many Australians were convinced Japan would try to invade them. Blackout restrictions were mandated, air raid sirens were installed, barbed wire was implemented along beaches on the east coast and families dug air raid shelters.
    The prime minister took on extraordinary wartime powers, the government enforced strict censorship of media and Australians born in other countries (mainly Germany, Italy, and Japan) were placed in internment camps."


    And remember in 1941 Australia had a population of just over 7 million, over 1 million were involved in the war effort
    yes we were very British in that era, now we're very American (what a vast improvement)
    But Yelta, you yourself implied in post #31 that in the 1940s ABC radio only reported facts and truth. So was the propaganda and censorship only present on other stations and via other media? And why was propaganda and censorship necessary then and not now? Nothing like WW2 has happened since, but there is still constant conflict around the world that more often than not involved armed forces from this part of the world. Plus there’s the constant cyber war occurring that most people don’t even know about, a bit like today’s version of the Cold War, but a lot more sophisticated and more expensive.

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    A lot of unjustified ABC bashing here, when in reality along with The SBS they are Australia's premier channels and we are lucky to have them.
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    Like beauty, bias is in the eye of the beholder. Generally, if we agree with a view, we say it's unbiased. If we disagree, then that view is biased.

    Whether the alleged bias or unbiase is there doesn't seem to matter in reality.

    That goes hand in hand with an allied saying: perception is reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Its also shown to have emotionally loaded headlines.


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    "In review, ABC News uses emotionally loaded headlines pertaining to US Politics such as this “Donald Trump kicked off his re-election campaign by making socialism into 2020’s dirty word.” ABC News has a section under world news dedicated to US news titled “Trump’s America”, with most stories being Anti-Trump. When it comes to national politics, ABC News publishes articles with loaded headlines and criticizes the center-right government “Scott Morrison said all the right things after Christchurch attack, but his history tells another story.”
    A bit of selective quoting there Yelta. You quoted a paragraph from the MBFC link but did not include the last sentence of that paragraph:
    "Further, ABC News sources their information to credible sources such as judiciary.house.gov, NPR, news.gallup, NY Times, SkyNews, Reuters, and the Associated Press."

    Doesn't improve your argument does it? Throw in the next paragraph and it paints a different story of the ABC, doesn't it?:
    "A factual search reveals that ABC News Australia has not failed a fact check. In fact, they are a fact checker and a signatory of the International Fact Checking Network (IFCN) through a partnership RMIT University."

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    Like beauty, bias is in the eye of the beholder. Generally, if we agree with a view, we say it's unbiased. If we disagree, then that view is biased
    It's called 'confirmation bias'. We also have third parties such as MBFC who can make a determination of bias.
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    In the eastern Melbourne suburb of Wheeler's hill, the Christmas pageant in a pre-school centre has been cancelled.

    Because one non-Christian parent objected to it.

    So in order to appease ONE parent, a pageant for 20 to 30 kids has been cancelled. Never mind their sensitivities, customs and practices.

    This is why political correctness has gone mad.

    It has nothing to do with making insulting fun of a minority group, or walking up to one and verbally assaulting him/her

    It has ALL to do with offending the majority in order not to offend the minority.

    It has all to do with repudiating the established customs of this country to accommodate an (most likely) imported custom.
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    Rubusto - any sources for this? Hope you are not using the Daily Mail article from yesterday... would not call anything they report as fact based news?

    If it is real we should all be up in arms.

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    Yilmaz, From the Melbourne 3AW radio website.

    https://www.3aw.com.au/melbourne-chi...sensitivities/

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    It has ALL to do with offending the majority in order not to offend the minority.
    Summed it up in a nutshell. PC gone mad.

    What next, acknowledge Xenu to appease the Scientologists among us?

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    This incident is poorly reported and not really investigated. I would put a question mark over it.

    It is up to any organisation to make a call when there is a complaint about anything at all. I think organisations fear small things getting out of hand, accelerated through the use of social media to make their life difficult.

    If you look at being PC, a lot of it has to do with the modern lynching or potential thereof using social media.

    I think too anger is fanned by social media and when you overreact to this sort of stuff and get seriously angry, you become part of the problem. I mean what are you going to do about it other than spread your anger on social media? It is a chain reaction and your anger goes viral and doesn't solve anything.



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