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Thread: Who buys these old style Casio digital watches?

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    Who buys these old style Casio digital watches?

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    Typical examples in this YouTube video

    https://youtu.be/DasstcF4Rj4

    That sort of thing was considered a must have about 35 years ago. I’m puzzled as to why that genre of style still exists. I can understand affordability and not having the battery go flat too often being desirable, but you’d think the basic style of the Casio watch face would’ve been drastically updated by now.

    Is it mostly a hipster thing?

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    I guess if all you need is a basic watch that just keeps reasonably accurate time, it fits the bill perfectly...

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    I'm a "watch nut" (amongst a number of other interests) and whilst my main interest is quality mechanical watches, I have a Casio that I wear when working on the car or in the garden.
    They are robust and very accurate and of course it doesn't matter if you scratch it or get dirt in the bracelet.
    In addition they are very legible and not an unattractive watch.
    In the Horology community, there is an ongoing interest in whether phones and 'smart watches' are displacing quality mechanical watches among the younger generation.
    Some young folks don't wear watches at all as they just refer to their phone.
    I see a watch as an acceptable piece of male jewellery. It's the only piece I wear daily.
    'Smart watches' don't interest me as I'm not all that into technology.
    I would never wear a chain or bracelet and don't like rings much either so a nice watch is my choice.
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    I'm with you Rocky...
    Love decent quality mechanical watches, the workmanship is what gets me.

    Mal.
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    My requirements for a watch are, must have an analog face, be easy to read, day or night, keep accurate time, not be big and clunky, sit nicely on the wrist.

    With these criteria in mind I bought a Citizen Eco-Drive about 8 years ago, best watch I have ever owned,it keeps perfect time, never needs adjusting, except for daylight saving, no battery, it simply keeps on running.
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    Bearing in mind the comment has recently been made elsewhere on this forum that the wearing of watches is dying out I've paid attention to the number of watch wearers at functions I've attended over Christmas, most people seem to still wear them, perhaps I mix with the wrong crowd.

    Like Rocky, not in the least bit interested in smart watches, I need a watch to tell the time and a phone to make phone calls, everything else simply gets in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I'm a "watch nut"
    I'm just a nut.

    I own two Timex Weekenders and Two Fossil watches. I had my eye on a couple of Braun watches, but I recently saw on YouTube that the second hand on some Braun watches doesn't hit the marks. I know of a shop in Melbourne that sells Braun watches, so I might check this out there one day.

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    Pamount you would be surprised how common not hitting the marks is. I wouldn't let that worry you, get the watch if you like it, your eyes will compensate and the distinct stop of a quartz every second makes it seem like it is.

    I believe watchmakers could probably reorient the hands (they do on GMT or UTC watches), but the cost doesn't make sense for an end user or manufacturer.

    On the Casio, one mans old is anothers retro. I know there is a cult following on the original with full calculator built in, especially amongst IT experts.
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    If and when those ugly and really unnecessary smart watches looks like an analogue I might consider having one. An ugly "watch" on the wrist to tell you that the phone in your pocket is ringing????
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    If and when those ugly and really unnecessary smart watches looks like an analogue I might consider having one. An ugly "watch" on the wrist to tell you that the phone in your pocket is ringing????
    It's a strange concept ain't it.

    Guess the next step will be an app to tell you your bowel needs emptying.

    I've used this in another thread recently, cant help feeling it needs repeating.
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    I resisted smart watches until last year and was wearing a 20 year old Seiko Kinetic.

    I got the Samsung Galaxy. First it is well built and it does get knocked around a bit but still looks new.

    I am self employed but get a lot of scam or out of state calls and Imdeal with these by putting my hand over the dial to silence them. I can also receive texts and other notifications and even take a call on the watch if I wish. I use the alarm, stopwatch and time functions regularly too.

    It has been a winner for me but it suits someone who is busy.

    The other thing I learned is not to make it look like an analogue watch. It is what it is so I use watch faces that are different that I like.

    Finally there is a heart rate monitor and fitness tracking tools. I go to the gym regularly but don’t use these much except the heart rate monitor stores heart rate data which is useful.

    Samsung Wearables is the app that controls it and it works well, lots of apps and watch faces you can download. It all works flawlessly too and has a wireless charging station so leave it overnight to charge.
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    The day I have to "charge" my watch is the day I will stop wearing one.
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    Watches can be a fascinating hobby because there is simply so much variety available.
    You can choose with the eye or let the wallet make the decision for you.
    Makers like SEIKO now have a big range of high quality watches with all sorts of movements, Kinetic, Automatic, Quartz, Solar.
    Their quality and prices are well into the 'big name' Swiss watch territory.
    As with most products, you get what you pay for although the top prestige brands tend to 'underdeliver' just as happens with cars and handbags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    The day I have to "charge" my watch is the day I will stop wearing one.
    I collected a watch or two in my time so I know more than some about watches. It seems most collect analogue watch movements but I found I got sick of the inaccuracies. The batteries or capacitors just don't last so most collectors want a movement not reliant on power.

    The Samsung watch saves me time every single day and so is a productivity tool.

    The charging is just a habit at night to dock it as it never runs out of charge during the day.

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    Even the best Automatic/Mechanical watches can't compete with a good Battery/Quartz for accuracy and most people decide at some point how important absolute accuracy is to them.
    I wind and adjust my mechanical watches at the end of each month and a couple of minutes plus or minus is not a problem for me.
    As an expert on my watch forum says:

    "Dont worry over a few seconds in 24 hours, the escapement of a mechanical watch pushes the gears 432,000 times. Since a day has 86,400 seconds, even a watch that runs five minutes fast or slow each day has an accuracy of over 99.6 percent! A finer mechanical watch that gains or loses about six to nine seconds a day or about a minute a week has a breathtaking precision of over 99.99 per cent. This is very high precision, given the fact that the movement is constantly affected by the earth's gravity, metal expansion and contraction, temperature variations, subtle changes in lubrication and friction, shocks, and so on.The fact is that no mechanical watch made will keep perfect time, very close yes but perfect no. If any mechanical watch performs consistently inside the CO SC spec of -4+6 seconds a day I don't think anyone could ask anymore from any purely mechanical watch."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Even the best Automatic/Mechanical watches can't compete with a good Battery/Quartz for accuracy and most people decide at some point how important absolute accuracy is to them.
    Except maybe a hybrid like a Spring Drive.
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    I love having a tiny mechanical machine on the wrist, I think the tiny tech is cool. If for whatever reason I want to the second accuracy I can refer to the phone or computer.

    I also have a Garmin watch which has some basic smarts like notifications etc. I like the heart rate monitoring functionality and use it for fitness. ASO has vibration alarm so doesn’t wake others. The smart notifications I find actually handy. I normally wear it on weekends and miss them during the week.

    The battery on mine lasts a few weeks depending on how much GPS activity I log.

    The old Casio digitals I think are more of a nostalgia for people who had them years ago, they were really something. I had a digital citizen windsurfer, which I kept it.

    What they need to do is come up with a smart band for dumb watches. There seems to be a few around but nothing really that good.

    I’m thinking something in the form factor of the Samsung band (not sure if they still do them?) or the Microsoft band, where it sits under the wrist where the strap clasp normally is.

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    Rocky what a great way to look at accuracy! I had a watch I ordered a few years ago arrive on the 24th December. Mechanical watch using an Eterna 3945A movement, a newish movement by Eterna which is modular to aďd complications. Very surprised it is running at -1 second a day, not bad for a tiny mechanical machine doing 28,800 beats per hour. Like other here have said, love the engineering, same way I feel about a car motor which will do 9k.
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    Apparently they are removing analogue clocks from schools now, because kids can't read them. So that will be a lost skill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    Apparently they are removing analogue clocks from schools now, because kids can't read them. So that will be a lost skill
    Really?

    Earlier this year there were reports that some UK schools removed analogue clocks from exam rooms because some kids were less comfortable reading them, and it is just easier working out precisely how much time you have to go on a digital clock. That seems no big deal to me.

    I'm not aware of any evidence that schools anywhere are doing this as a matter of course. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    I remember reading similar about school exams but also remember a story about adults. A quick google just revealed two stories, one saying 1 in 7 Uk adults, the other 1 in 11, can't tell the time on an analogue clock. Genuinely shocks me and shows the dumming down and loss of basic skills from society.
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    It's misreported BS.

    From Snopes: Mostly false

    What's True

    UK sources suggested that schools there could minimize disruptions during standardized examinations by replacing analog clocks with digital versions in examination halls, because some students had difficulty estimating time remaining from the former.


    What's False

    Schools throughout the UK are not replacing analog clocks with digital versions in all classrooms because modern students cannot tell time.

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    "Knowing how to tell time is an important skill. There is a lot of debate over whether children need to learn analog time, especially since mobile phones have taken the place of analog watches for many people. While there may be few instances in which children have to rely on being able to read an analog clock, analog clocks help children understand the passage of time because they have hands that are consistently moving. Analog clocks also show time in multiples of five, which is not as transparent with digital clocks."
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    They’re still teaching analogue time reading at my daughter’s school (where my wife is a teacher). They start when they’re about 7 and touch on it at times over the following 3-4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    They’re still teaching analogue time reading at my daughter’s school (where my wife is a teacher). They start when they’re about 7 and touch on it at times over the following 3-4 years.
    Ditto for the schools our grand kids have attended, both here and in the U.S.

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    My gf works as teacher, and wears analogue watch so the kids have to read their own time.

    Glad it is BS that they are removing them

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    In Australia, it's a requirement of all the state mathematics curriculums at certain year levels for students to know this, or be exposed to it. So I doubt it's being removed. Something that requires parents also participate in doing with their children. Problem is kids rarely seen an analogue clock outside of the classroom these days. Many home don't have one at all. It's like many things, being left to school to "teach" when it should be a joint effort and requires frequent exposure to.
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    Got my eye on the new Garmin Fenix 6 for GPS and fitness things. Maybe once they come down in price a bit.
    Owned a Galaxy watch a year or so ago but wasn't really a fan, too many gimmicks. I haven't ever owned a proper mechanical watch, maybe one day I'll decide I want one.

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    Watch people rarely knock 'Smart Watches' as they are a totally different device to a quality mechanical watch and not a threat any more than a smartphone is a threat.
    A lot of expensive mechanical watches are bought purely as 'prestige-luxury' items in the same category as luxury cars, bags and jewellery and this will always be the case.
    A smaller proportion of buyers are just people that appreciate a piece of fine engineering that has a practical function and is also beautiful to look at.
    Young well-paid professionals often find that a quality watch is 'a part of the uniform' in their business.
    Sometimes older folks find that after a long career they can afford a nice watch as a symbol of achievement.
    Either way, quality mechanical watches, particularly those with good brand recognition (Patek, Rolex, IWC, Vacheron, Audemars, JLC, Breitling, Panerai, Omega, etc) are likely to have a pretty secure future.
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    #2 with Yelta as well,love my eco drive despite my model being Citizens first attempt into “smart” watches , it would only connect with Bluetooth if the phone was iphone4.
    Consequently I don’t bother with that wasted feature however, although being slightly too large I’m comfortably content with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    My requirements for a watch are, must have an analog face, be easy to read, day or night, keep accurate time, not be big and clunky, sit nicely on the wrist.

    With these criteria in mind I bought a Citizen Eco-Drive about 8 years ago, best watch I have ever owned,it keeps perfect time, never needs adjusting, except for daylight saving, no battery, it simply keeps on running.
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    Bearing in mind the comment has recently been made elsewhere on this forum that the wearing of watches is dying out I've paid attention to the number of watch wearers at functions I've attended over Christmas, most people seem to still wear them, perhaps I mix with the wrong crowd.

    Like Rocky, not in the least bit interested in smart watches, I need a watch to tell the time and a phone to make phone calls, everything else simply gets in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Some young folks don't wear watches at all as they just refer to their phone.
    I see a watch as an acceptable piece of male jewellery. It's the only piece I wear daily.
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    I'm with both ideas. Most of the time I don't wear a watch and just look at my smartphone.

    But for my 50th birthday I bought myself a nice German made "slow watch"; a single hand watch with a 24h face. It's a statement. I like quality and like to look at time as a rythm of celestial, circular motion. And I like to live slowly, not concerned with minute-schedules.

    Maybe other watch-wearing folk also express some of their personality by their choice of watch? In that sense, Jewellery indeed!
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    Fascinating timepiece, Laurie. Great 'conversation piece'.
    I'm certain "personality" comes into the choice of a watch, just as it does with other personal items - clothing, jewellery, cars.
    For me, a watch is very much 'functional jewellery' while for others it is just a functional item or just jewellery.
    For e.g. anybody with a solid gold watch (as opposed to plated) has thought about what that watch means to them because they have paid a lot of money for the privilege.
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    Infinite variety. If you can imagine it, it's probably been made - or soon will be.

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    Laurie love your watch. I also bought a single hander for holidays, love the way it shows the rythm of night and day. I also had a 24 hr watch for the same reason. Nice quality model, from Peter at Define?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    ...Like Rocky, not in the least bit interested in smart watches, I need a watch to tell the time and a phone to make phone calls, everything else simply gets in the way...
    Whilst I applaud the sentiment I know of too many who haven't kept up with technology and are now struggling.
    With the imminent demise of cash and paper bills, their situation can only worsen.
    The sharks are circling.

    Ps did my grocery shopping tonight and noticed that the self serve checkouts that still handle cash are rapidly disappearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I collected a watch or two in my time so I know more than some about watches. It seems most collect analogue watch movements but I found I got sick of the inaccuracies. The batteries or capacitors just don't last so most collectors want a movement not reliant on power.

    The Samsung watch saves me time every single day and so is a productivity tool.

    The charging is just a habit at night to dock it as it never runs out of charge during the day.
    G'day wattgn

    This divides me conceptually.

    My 1970 Seiko Sportsmatic 5 (close to indestructible analog I used to SCUBA dive with and race motorcycles with) was mothballed (diving excepted) when I could get first time from a mobile: Around 1994 I crossgraded from an "executive delicate" Nokia 8110 (no clock, don't breathe too hard on it) to a "tradie indestructible" (rubber coated, waterproof and survived a 10 metre drop onto concrete in 1997) model (5100?) that had a clock AND a proper torch like all useful mobile phone toys should have. After reading this thread earlier I exhumed my old Seiko. Impressive - one minute of shaking and it started and I set the time and date. After a week it was still within a second - just like the day I stopped using it, so I do not know why your analog Seiko is so inaccurate. Also, my Seiko has never been wound by hand as it is an autowind beastie.

    After a week I was also glad to put it back into storage. My left arm was about 100mm longer due to the weight of the thing. Mainly, being a minimalist, giving me the same info as my phone (yep, the old Seiko does days and dates) seemed a pointless duplication to carry around.

    Whilst I can appreciate the engineering behind my Seiko, I guess it will become a family heirloom of dubious value.

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    PS: the tradie Nokia only died a couple of years back when the on/off switch fried and shorted the main board. Even my electronic skills could not revive it after that so I (reluctantly) bought an OLED Android "smartphone" (dumb as a box of spanners with an interface designed by a mental defective) with a screen big enough to read without glasses. I vastly prefer the Nokia - it is smaller, lighter, the screen is easier to read in sunlight and it has about a fortnight of battery capacity. I can also use the torch for a 5 hour "new moon / overcast bushwalk". The Oppo has a colour screen (big deal), wireless internet (ditto), does about 30 minutes via "too dull to use bushwalking" torch and needs charging after 48 hours even if it has barely been used. Progress? Not really. It also took me a while to remember to charge it every other day. Please someone, make another basic tradie model just like the old Nokia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    My requirements for a watch are, must have an analog face, be easy to read, day or night, keep accurate time, not be big and clunky, sit nicely on the wrist.

    With these criteria in mind I bought a Citizen Eco-Drive about 8 years ago, best watch I have ever owned,it keeps perfect time, never needs adjusting, except for daylight saving, no battery, it simply keeps on running.
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    Bearing in mind the comment has recently been made elsewhere on this forum that the wearing of watches is dying out I've paid attention to the number of watch wearers at functions I've attended over Christmas, most people seem to still wear them, perhaps I mix with the wrong crowd.

    Like Rocky, not in the least bit interested in smart watches, I need a watch to tell the time and a phone to make phone calls, everything else simply gets in the way.
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    Be careful with these quotes. Any generation of idiots could do a quick search and see that Einstein never said either of these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Whilst I applaud the sentiment I know of too many who haven't kept up with technology and are now struggling.
    With the imminent demise of cash and paper bills, their situation can only worsen.
    The sharks are circling.

    Ps did my grocery shopping tonight and noticed that the self serve checkouts that still handle cash are rapidly disappearing.
    Highly exaggerated OCD, certainly won't happen in my lifetime.

    This from Business Insider Oct 2019.

    "Measured by the number of card transactions each year, Australia is supposed to be the sixth-most cashless society on earth. The Federal Government is at this very moment even considering outlawing transactions in the stuff over $10,000.

    Yet, despite that, we have more cash in circulation per capita than ever before. The RBA is even rolling out new banknotes and leading the charge globally to update our currency to make it safer and more accessible.

    While some predicted that cash would disappear from Australian shores as early as 2022, making us the first country in the region to go cashless, there’s plenty of reasons to believe cash is still as important as ever."

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a...yments-2019-10

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    Don't forget the medical alert Smart Watches which hopefully will become more widely accepted by an ageing population.

    Heart Rate monitoring, Sleep Monitoring, Fall Detection, GPS location for those with Demetia, etc.

    All useful and potentially life saving functions and they still tell the Time.

    https://www.techradar.com/au/best/be...rtwatches-2020


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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Laurie love your watch. I also bought a single hander for holidays, love the way it shows the rythm of night and day. I also had a 24 hr watch for the same reason. Nice quality model, from Peter at Define?
    I got my Botta directly from Germany a two years ago. They don't sell directly to Australia anymore, so I think Peter at Define is the place to go if you want one today. Very nice design and very easy to read to the nearest 5min. The setting on time and the day-of-month adjusting is a bit of a pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Don't forget the medical alert Smart Watches which hopefully will become more widely accepted by an ageing population.

    Heart Rate monitoring, Sleep Monitoring, Fall Detection, GPS location for those with Demetia, etc.

    All useful and potentially life saving functions and they still tell the Time.
    It's funny how we still call the thing in our pocket a "phone". Same with smart watch; seeing the time is a tiny part of what a "smart watch" does. We should invent new names for these devices and drop words like "phone" and "watch" altogether.

    Easy to agree that there is huge amount of good stuff that tech can do for us. Even life-saving! But a quote I read long time ago always comes to haunt me:

    "The question is not whether computers will some day become smarter than us, but whether we in the meantime agree to meet them half way?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Whilst I applaud the sentiment I know of too many who haven't kept up with technology and are now struggling.
    With the imminent demise of cash and paper bills, their situation can only worsen.
    The sharks are circling.

    Ps did my grocery shopping tonight and noticed that the self serve checkouts that still handle cash are rapidly disappearing.
    I still use the manned (or womanned) checkouts to hopefully help keep these people in a job by showing there's a demand for them. Nice to be able to say G'day and have a quick chat too.

    The cost savings of not paying wages to a check-out person won't be passed on much like ATMs were going to make Banking cheaper. The ATMs are now also disappearing and more fees introduced by the banks rather than having those savings passed on. Surprise, Surprise.
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    When we use the staffed checkouts I make a point of chatting with the person there as a way of making them feel recognised and appreciated as a person.

    I make them laugh, their face lights up, I make them laugh and suddenly the robotic life they've had all day in the boring progressive barn dance of their little work space hopefully is forgotten by them.
    That said, though, they are on the endangered list bound for extinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauriG View Post
    ..."The question is not whether computers will some day become smarter than us, but whether we in the meantime agree to meet them half way?"
    We are destined to become our machines. Not by mechanical genocide but by seduction.

    Ps "Resistance is futile."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Highly exaggerated OCD, certainly won't happen in my lifetime....
    I hope you're right Yelta. For what possible reason would "the powers that be" seek to monitor our every monetary transaction? Ludicrous, I know. If they tried it, the people would rise up and...

    Ps still?

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    One thing we can ALWAYS depend upon is that governments and businesses will ALWAYS make changes that help them to save money or increase profits and they will ALWAYS tell us it is all for our benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    One thing we can ALWAYS depend upon is that governments and businesses will ALWAYS make changes that help them to save money or increase profits and they will ALWAYS tell us it is all for our benefit.
    I ALWAYS thought so.



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