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    Fast Food & Fizzy Drink

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    Hi,

    Just out of interest, was wondering if anyone else out there is concerned about the proliferation of Fast Food outlets; carbonated drinks packed full of artificial sugar; over-processed ready-made meals and the like that seems to be edging its way into our world at a rapid rate? :(

    Its obvious how passionate you all are about coffee (from the quality/freshness of beans to techniques of extracting/pouring/presenting) that I thought perhaps this passion might filter through to the quality of what food you put in your mouths.

    Lots more to say on this topic, but will see if Im alone in my thinking first! ;)

    Cheers,
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    Re: Fast Food & Fizzy Drink

    Of course youre not alone in your thinking!

    I clearly remember the time when you could only buy chocolate biscuits in winter and seasonal fruits and vegetables, and the only take-away/fast food shops sold fish and chips. *You could also visit the fruit market in summer and they would slice a fresh piece of watermelon. :)

    As for the fast food outlets of today, well, maybe we have ourselves to blame with our want it now attitude. *Dont know if its true, but nteresting to see that McD advertise that they prep to order - a few years ago they used to apologise if there was a 30sec delay! ;D

    So many of us seem time poor - its such a shame that we work so hard, to make lots of money, so that we can buy a bigger, more beautiful home, that we cant enjoy because we have to go to work!

    Den (taking time to smell the roses)

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    Yep. These days its mostly organic and free-range products that find their way into our trolley.

    Im not sure if coffee had much to do with it though ... I think kids had a LOT to do with it though.

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    I think the horse has bolted sc.

    The "proliferation of Fast Food outlets" started many years ago and has just gotten worse ever since.

    Dennis McD do cook to order now.
    The other day I wasnt left with much choice to grab a late lunch in a small shopping centre and the freshest i could find was a McD burger.
    The wait was horrific (and I was starving already).
    I remember when you got it free if your order wasnt ready in 60 seconds.

    My comment on the good old days is that my fathers cafe had tables and booths to sit at and eat.

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    Re: Fast Food & Fizzy Drink

    Since arriving back in Oz earlier this year, weve found a great local Farmers Market, which we take our kids (7 & 4yrs) to each Saturday morning. In quite a short period of time theyve come to understand, appreciate and get excited about what we buy each week and why it tastes soooo much better than supermarket produce.

    Like you Michelle, were also buying a lot more from the organic aisle of the supermarket (and always free-range eggs and chickens). Currently preparing our veggie patch for the warmer weather and the planting of a variety of fruit/veg that the boys will be able to munch on as they zoom past on their bikes! Dont you love Spring! :)

    Great to know you guys are out there! ;)

    Cheers,
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    I spose we can all get a bit reminiscent about the good ol days when instant-gratification, give-it-to-me-now food didnt exist, but as TG rightly noted its existed for some time. Its appeal has just been honed over the years through sophisticated marketing methods to infiltrate the food culture (not that Id call the stodgy sugar-laden crud they offer as real food).

    The good ol days that I and probably many of other CSrs grew up with still had processed foods. Yet they were treats. I recall saving my pocket-money as a paper boy to buy a can of Candy & a bag of mixed lollies from the corner store, and having a bit leftover to play Space Invaders on the machine out the front.

    Where have those corner stores gone ... :(

    Youll notice, though, that these multi-nat joints have increasingly diversified their menu offerings to include healthier options. Sure, delve into whats on offer & it may be lower in fat & sugar but still laden with over-processed ingredients full of food-codes that compromise any nutritional benefits, because youre still ingesting preservative/colour/additive compounds that toxify your innards.

    What that does show, though, is that canny marketers are responding to consumer consciousness to be healthier with eating habits. The horror is that these same canny marketers can get away with waving a magic wand over their menu choices to seem a healthy alternative to their 10000 calorie value-pack offerings, and dupe the customer into thinking that theyre treating their body right by still going to Maccas yet indulging in something that they are assured is healthy.

    Onya for frequenting the Farmers Markets sc. Their proliferation is testament to canny consumers spitting at the feet of canny fast-food marketers. We do the same every Sat or Sun morning either at West End or New Farm, & our boys get so excited at whats on offer & what we can indulge in. A smorgasboard of freshness, & supporting local growers.

    The slow-food movement is increasingly gaining hold in Oz, as is the growth of people buying organic and actually growing their own.

    In the UK, the big food retailers have increased their organic range from 10% a decade ago to now over a third of their offerings.

    Bottom line? Fast food & fizzy drink wont disappear - itll be a mainstay for those seeking a quick fix. There will always be a demographic wanting it - thats the multi-nats bread-&-butter. Their challenge to maintain market-share & increase profit is to be innovative and snare the discerning customer out there who respects their body & what they eat.

    Furthermore (yeah, yeah, Ill get off that bloody soapbox soon ;D), teach your children how to cook! Its a great way to engage with them in a time-strained existence when its easier to turn on the tele or let them play games in front of a computer, teach them life-long skills, & experience the taste sensations gained from freshness.

    I had a few qualms about allowing my twin 4yr old lads to go to a friends birthday party organised at Maccas by his parents a few months ago. We decided to let them go ... they came back at the end saying that they had fun, but the food "made them feel yukky in the tummy".

    We made the right decision :)

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    And if you buy certified, organic, free-range poultry products, pay a little extra and buy a brand that dont also produce battery and barn-laid eggs. I feel ashamed for ever having consumed those.

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    I like my fizzy drinks.
    My earliest memory of them is drinking Passiona from a glass bottle in the early 60s.
    Funny, I dont like whole passionfruit.

    My son cooks very well. Hes 27 now but showed signs from a very early age, as my wife used to sit him in a beanbag in the kitchen and talk to him. Usually explaining the recipes as she was going and he took it all in.

    My vege patch is looking a tad bare atm but my favourite thing to grow is lebanese cucumbers. Soooo easy and plentiful.

    Another mainstay of our garden is parsley. Theres nothing like fresh parsley on my Sunday breakfast scrambled eggs.

    Best "fast food" I ever had was some Bok Choy straight from my garden, washed, blanched and on the plate in under 60 seconds. Yum.

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    Yeah, I envy the Mediterranian culture for instinctively instilling into the kids to learn from early to cook from their mums. And the existence, traditionally, that an extended family is there on hand to help when its needed.

    Dont lose that vege patch TG - its that link to your parents & kids mate! ;)




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    No worries.
    I only grow things I can eat.
    With the exception of a rose bush my wife gave me for a birthday present.
    Although I suppose I could do something with the petals...........


    EDIT: And a couple of bonsais.

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    When my wife and I first moved in together almost 18 yrs ago now.We rented a house in a Altona, west of Melbourne. It had a massive yard probably 1/3 of an acre, my Pop help start our Vege patch he was 72 at the time, we got chooks and a duck and could afford to eat out on occasions.
    Now we buy our eggs at about $6 a doz, our Vege patch is much smaller we rearly go out to eat and we seem to have less time. Seems we all want things to be faster.
    I use to enjoy when my uncle took us to the movies and on the way home wed call into Pellegrinis for a spider and chips, its good to see these places still exist.

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    Do "the good old days" have to be left in the past, as mere fond memories? :-/ Im so keen to work towards a future where people like us are not a minority. With obesity gaining ground by the day, there has to come a crunch time :o when we all say (hopefully with the help of an educated, strong government able to stand up to the big corps involved) "enoughs enough"! Pulling Maccas out of childrens hospitals would be a good start!!!

    Lots of things have changed very quickly over the past 50 or so years (for better or for worse). At times I wish we could turn back the clock and start again. However, theres a great challenge out there to find a way to make a difference - particularly to pass on to next generation of beautiful people in our lives! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowcoffee link=1221621102/0#0 date=1221621102
    was wondering if anyone else out there is concerned about the proliferation of Fast Food outlets; carbonated drinks packed full of artificial sugar; over-processed ready-made meals and the like
    I dont worry about the products and businesses selling these products. I worry about the people who have paid for them to become so big and wealthy by buying their products.
    I dont think anybody can claim that they dont know that fast highly processed food and drinks are not the healthiest option for them or their children. The information is out there. I think there is nobody but the individual to blame. We live in a capitalist society where people vote with their wallets, and its nobodys fault but their own.
    Im not saying that these companies are good or otherwise, just that it is the people who have made them what they are today, and it is the people who can in tern make them go away, by making another choice.
    You make a good point though SC, and i certainly wont let a child of mine eat that rubbish.

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    Obesity isnt caused by eating fast food - its caused by eating too much food (I should know).

    There are lots of health-related concerns we face that are to do with lifestyle - eg. anyone who listened to Charlie Teo on Enough Rope the other night would think twice about how they use a mobile phone.

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    Yes, there can be a whole host of factors that lead to obesity and obviously not all related to food. *I guess the Fast Food Industry just seems to combine the worst of the worst practices in all areas - processed food/low-paid and low-trained employment/waste/impacts on the agricultural industry. :( *

    Fantastic to hear all your different views on this topic! *Thanks. ;) *

    Sorry to have missed Enough Rope on Monday night - would have been an interesting show!

    slowcoffee *

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    you can watch it on the ABC website, you can stream most of there shows, same as most stations, the MTV site shows programs months before the cable your paying for gets them, only problem is you still get adds.

    And if we went back to the good old days there would be no internet, no video calling, no email. Its not all bad liveing at the moment, a lot of things happened in the good old days that should be left there. I think the obesity problem is more to do with how much we eat, like the guy who delivers bricks, now does it with a fork lift, yet he still eats like he is doing it by hand.

    As for Maccas, I like it, I know its rubbish going in, so I dont go in that often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowcoffee link=1221621102/0#11 date=1221635420
    ... Do "the good old days" have to be left in the past, as mere fond memories?
    No, but Ive always found it a strange phenomenon of human nature to glorify the past, and lament its passing. Sure, food was a helluva less processed when I was a lad, and American fast-food giants were a bit of a novel arrival rather than an omnipotent presence on every corner, but hey - I religiously watched Wide World of Sports with Kenny Sutcliffe every Saturday, with virtually every sport reported on sponsored by a tobacco company, particularly motor sports & cricket with their brands emblazoned at every critical point that the camera was aimed at, and interspersed with ads telling me how cool it was to smoke!

    5 hours of brainwashing every weekend. :P

    Binge drinking is scorned nowadays as an evil ... witness the latest Bronco players incident.

    However 20 years ago Boonie (David Boon) was virtually elevated to blokey God status after supposedly sinking a whole carton of stubbies on the teams long flight to the UK to play at Lords for the Ashes ... & being cogent enough to walk from the plane unassisted at Heathrow.

    Values and views evolve and change over time - the good ol days werent all good, just different.

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    I get the feeling that the majority is not all that fazed by the direction were propelling ourselves in. How bad will it have to get before we truly start caring about what we put in our mouths? Will the worlds health systems handle the vast number of associated problems linked with overeating/obesity in the years to come? Whos going to pay to treat them all, in an attempt to bring their health back (that belatedly they discover they still want)? Will it come down to "survival of the fittest"???

    So many questions in my head and so many thoughts for creating a better (but perhaps not everyones ideal) way of life. I realise everyone has to make their own choices in life - but at times some things (like what to eat each week) become a routine/habit that is then difficult to break out of.

    (A little demoralised) :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowcoffee link=1221621102/0#17 date=1221729538
    I get the feeling that the majority is not all that fazed by the direction were propelling ourselves in. *
    I get the feeling that its not the direction but the destination that is the appropriate topic because I believe its too late....we arrived (as I pointed out earlier) years ago.


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    I suspect that both Thundergod and slowcoffee are correct.
    Research already indicates that the current generation will not live as long as us. So when they decide theyre dying too young, then MAYBE they will change.
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    Re: Fast Food & Fizzy Drink

    I cant let myself believe that its too late :( - we just need to find a way to educate the masses!

    I love the work Stephanie Alexander is currently doing in schools - creating kitchen gardens where the children can learn everything from cultivation to harvesting to consumption. Perhaps it will be the children educating their own parents on this topic in years to come.

    For anyone interested, a couple of good books Ive read recently that relate to this subject include: In Defence of Food by Michael Pollan; and Slow Food Nation by Carlo Petrini (founder of The Slow Food Movement). Both are well worth a read.

    Cheers,
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    Dont let sentiment blind you to reality.

    I like the stuff Stephanie is doing too.
    Its a pity shes only doing what the Greeks, Italians etc and country folk have been teaching their kids for generations.

    Greg maybe right though.
    Eventually theyll wake up to themselves.

    But Im right that they wont listen today.



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