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    Coffee Bean Storage

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi, anyone know where I can buy one of those coffee bean storage containers that allows you to pump out the air? Ive seen them on television many times but cant seem to find a stockist.. online or retail.. ??

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

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    Hi paulie,

    I believe that "The Coffee Company" in Balaclava in Melb has the vacuum pump and container setup available.
    You should not have trouble finding them on the net.
    I have ordered stuff from them via internet before with no problems.

    However, before you fork out for one of those, Im wondering if you really need one, most of us dont try to keep beans long enough for that to be an issue.
    However longer storage options include, freezing if youre desparate to keep some freshly roasted (and rested), beans for a month or so, or flexible coffee bags that you can eliminate most of the air before re-sealing.

    Be interested to hear how well it works for you if you go ahead and buy one.

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    Suggest that you might try a search on evilbay for vacuvin (comercial posting edited by 2mcm)

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    sorry, maybe it didnt work either,

    go to ebay type in "vacuvin coffee " in search

    pump and container sold separate i believe, as mentoned above

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    I believe there is some auto editing of certain words (possibly just links) in this forum.
    The idea being, we dont neccessarily promote certain sites.

    Have a read of how the links look and decipher the part that needs to be changed.

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    Ive got to say that I think that the vacuum storage containers are a bad idea. First up, thats a lot of effort to go to every time you want to pull some coffee out. Second, by constantly dropping the pressure outside the bean, youre moving to an equilibrium that will favour gasses coming out of the beans ... which might actually make the beans age faster after they have degassed to the correct amount. Sort of like how a lot of the top barista comp competitors noticed that their coffee tasted worse after plane travel because of the low pressure in the luggage hold ...

    Just my $0.02,

    Luca

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    i just bought some of these from peters of kensington in sydney.... they had a pack that had 3 jars, pump, and an extra cofee jar which is a darker plastic.

    these are what i am using, and am pretty happy with them although agree that a constant vacuming may effect the beans...

    the guys at mecca recommended them by the way.....

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    I came across them on the coffeeparts website while I was buying some accessories.

    http://www.coffeeparts.com.au/accessories/coffeesaver.html

    not sure how the price compares though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1149031621/0#6 date=1149039306
    Ive got to say that I think that the vacuum storage containers are a bad idea. First up, thats a lot of effort to go to every time you want to pull some coffee out. Second, by constantly dropping the pressure outside the bean, youre moving to an equilibrium that will favour gasses coming out of the beans ... which might actually make the beans age faster after they have degassed to the correct amount. Sort of like how a lot of the top barista comp competitors noticed that their coffee tasted worse after plane travel because of the low pressure in the luggage hold ...

    Just my $0.02,

    Luca
    Thanks Luca,
    I thought there was a reason why I wasnt keen on the idea.
    But horses for courses, if thats what somebody really wants.

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    Theres also some vacuum cannisters made by Thermos.....Victorias Basement has them in Sydney.....Tupac=$20(2 diff sizes)........I tried them out......takes a few pumps to get all the air out and if you dont get it all out the valve seems to leak.But once out they worked ok....

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    Hi Guys,

    I already had a Vacuvin setup for our wine so just bought a canister to try the idea out.

    In a word.... Yeccchhh.
    Definitely not a good thing to do. I guess it might work for freshly roasted beans that have yet to de-gas that you want to ship or post to someone else but for repeated use at home, the brew from the beans just gets progressively less impressive very quickly, almost like the "staling" effect is being accelerated :o, i.e. less and less crema and more sour as time moves on.

    Not recommended by this user..... :(

    Mal.

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    Coffee storage is turning out to be a good discussion point. There are so many different ideas around how to keep coffee fresh after roasting..

    What about the freezer idea? Anyone ever tested the freshness of beans and crema consistency when storing beans in the freezer (air tight of course)??

    After reading all these posts, I think Ill stick to buying less coffee more often.. I go through 250grams per week on average unless I have people over on the weekend and its not too much trouble to visit the bean man once a week.

    Thanks!!
    Paulie
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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1149031621/0#6 date=1149039306
    Ive got to say that I think that the vacuum storage containers are a bad idea. First up, thats a lot of effort to go to every time you want to pull some coffee out. Second, by constantly dropping the pressure outside the bean, youre moving to an equilibrium that will favour gasses coming out of the beans ... which might actually make the beans age faster after they have degassed to the correct amount. Sort of like how a lot of the top barista comp competitors noticed that their coffee tasted worse after plane travel because of the low pressure in the luggage hold ...

    Just my $0.02,

    Luca
    Agree totally. The basic physics principals of it will mean that reducing the air pressure inside the container by "sucking out all the air" will draw those beautiful delicate armotic volitiles out from the beans, never to return.

    Also, I have experienced the "in-flight" side of the equation too. Have carried roasted beans as carry on and as checked luggage. A plane cruising at the regular 35,000 feet is kept at an inside air pressure thats the equivelant of being at 10-12,000 feet.
    This reduced air pressure (over regular on-the-ground air pressure) had the same effect on my coffee as the vacuum-jars, resulting in a flat, lifeless bean with just the base coffee flavours left and the delicate highlights and special flavours had long since dissapeared into the ether.

    I prefer to keep my roasted beans in the black plastic valve bags for a few days to let them degass happily in the bean cupboard, then when I start using them I transfer them into a s/steel container with an airtight glass lid (Safeway $8.95)

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    Re: Coffee Bean Storage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1149031621/0#11 date=1149056174
    Hi Guys,

    I already had a Vacuvin setup for our wine so just bought a canister to try the idea out.

    In a word.... Yeccchhh.
    Definitely not a good thing to do. I guess it might work for freshly roasted beans that have yet to de-gas that you want to ship or post to someone else but for repeated use at home, the brew from the beans just gets progressively less impressive very quickly, almost like the "staling" effect is being accelerated :o, i.e. less and less crema and more sour as time moves on.

    Not recommended by this user..... :(

    Mal.

    Argh! :o I just bought one of these (from a certain site sponsor! ;) ) and you reckon theyre no good??

    Anyway, Ill persist with it for now as its better than the old coffee tin and Im still not convinced about storing in either fridge or freezer. Personally, I like the idea of treating your coffee like wine ie. keep at a constant temperature, dont expose it to big temperature differences and if you want to taste flavour, freezing temps or cold temps are really not the way to go.

    Since we live too far from anywhere (yup, Ive said it before, we live in the middle of nowhere!) I have to wait patiently for my coffee to arrive via the post or freight. (NOT!! :P )

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1149031621/0#14 date=1149139270
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    Since we live too far from anywhere (yup, Ive said it before, we live in the middle of nowhere!) I have to wait patiently for my coffee to arrive via the post or freight. (NOT!! *:P )
    A bit OT, but out of interest, where is the middle of nowhere? I remember you said that you were near the Kidman Way in another post.
    I lived at Bourke for 2 years and Cobar for 1 year. They arent quite the middle of nowhere, but I could certainly see it from there ;D.
    Another good reason for me to home roast, necessity *;) *I coulnt get any decent beans locally, and the nearest roaster was 3.5 hours away *::)
    All the best.

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    Yeah, I agree Scoots,

    Not really sold on the storage of coffee in the freezer either. From what Ive read on alt.coffee by a few of the regulars, the only freezing method, that sort of works.... is to seal just roasted beans in airtight bags and chuck em in the freezer right then and there. You then remove a packet at a time, allow to thaw and then use as you would "rested" beans and store the remainder in an airtight bag or resealable airtight container in a cool, dark place.

    In any case, freezing pre-roasted beans as opposed to roasting just enough for weekly consumption rated a very poor second by comparison and if roasting or buying a batch of beans once a week is too much, well then..... I dunno really :-?,

    Mal.

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    Lovey, Im interested in roasting too.. I only use about 250 grams per week depending on visitors. What roaster would you suggest if I was to get started?

    Paulie
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    Gday Paulie,
    have a look through the roasters section in the coffee equipment, theres heaps of ideas and reviews in there. Maybe you could put a new thread in there with your question, youre bound to get several good suggestions.
    All the best.



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