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    To freeze or not to freeze?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I enjoy an stronger style coffee the wife does not. Do not have easy access to fresh beans and so buy online. Usually buy 2 by 500 grams. Takes about 2 weeks to use 500 gms.
    Can I freeze the roasted beans when I get them and pull them out as needed and grind on demand? Does the freezer destroy or preserve the bean???
    As it is impracticle to buy over the net every couple of days is there a better solution. Is there a magic container that store coffee perfectly? Am a newby to the home coffee experience. Have got a Silvia and doserless rocky.

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- NEVER freeze :-[......buy them well packaged and store in a dry dark place unopened...or better still, buy a popper and some green beans from coffeesnobs and see what real coffee tastes like ;)

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    I have to second 2muchcoffeemans suggestion of your buying a popper and roasting your own. Youll be blown away at the difference in flavor!

    Batch sizes in poppers are small enough that your coffee will always be fresh with no more worries about stale coffee. :D

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    yes, I love my popper. Amazing value and amazing results.

    I grind my coffee for each pull using my doserless grinder and I never store ground coffee.

    Grant

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    For the freshest coffee beans should never be more than a week past roasting (personally I find their flavor to seriously start degrading 5 days after the roast) and ideally should be packed and the shot being pulled with-in 30 seconds of being ground (slightly longer if being ground for brewed coffee).

    Any coffee past these times is past its prime, full-flavored period.

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    Thanks for the info. So what does it cost to get into the roasting capper. Does it consume a lot of time. Will this be another reason for my wife to leave or is the start of marital bliss.

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    Hi there,

    To take a different tack, Im surprised you cant find a source of roasted beans closer to home. Even in humble Brisbane, there are many coffee roasters producing great roasts - and selling them in bags as small as 250g. Im sure if you look around, youll find something more convenient that ordering on the net.

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    The cheapest would be to find a used hot air popcorm popper, otherwise buy one new. Or you could go the heat gun route for a bit more.

    The amount of time consumed will depend on how much coffee you drink and which method you use with the heat gun taking longer and requiring more hands on labor.

    Take a look in the Roasters forum for more info on these two methods and how they differ. In general poppers are faster but the batch sizes are smaller than with the heatgun method.

    For beans may I suggest you check out the newbie pack offered here (http://www.coffeesnobs.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=BeanBay;action=display;num=11134845 27) as a good starting place. :)

    How your wife reacts will depend on if shes a coffee drinker or not. If she is the taste of fresh beans will knock her off her feet and youll float away in caffinated bliss. If shes not into coffee and objected to that rocket you built in your backyard going after the X-Prize, then you might want to check into what dog houses are going for on the local market while youre out shopping for a popper!! ;D

    Java "Where theres smoke theres beans being roasted. Either that or a very pi$$ed off spouse!" phile

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    Well Ill confess to freezing the odd bean in my time. Ive come to look at roasting as a bit of a chore so I prefer to do as large as batch as possible as infrequently as possible.

    Lately Ive upped my batch size to about 800 grammes (finished weight) and Ive been freezing about 300grammes of this to use after the fresh stuff runs out around the 5 day mark.

    I might not have a super taster palette but the defrosted beans are certainly not bad, they may be down a tad in crema and complexity but they are definitely better than the equivalent non frozen bean at the 7 day mark.

    Best results seem to come from freezing asap after roasting when the beans are still warm and double bagging to minimise any oxidisation or outgassing. This may mean your shipped beans may not freeze well at all.

    This isnt my unique idea, a few of the "gurus" over at alt coffee swear by it just as others swear against it.

    As always the real truth lies in the cup and the only way to be sure is to try it for yourself and blind test the results. I havent had any complaints yet!

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    You really should freeze them rapidly using liquid nitrogen to avoid crystallisation and damage to the delicate structure of the bean.

    Har har har

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    If anything, the 5 day "rule" is more a guideline than anything. Same as the rule of "3s" - green beans last 3 years, roast beans last 3 weeks, ground coffee lasts 3 minutes - all just guidelines.

    youre better off drinking beans that have been frozen than instant. youre also better off drinking beans that have been frozen than lavazza.

    Im currently drinking three different age roasts - the fresh one has the best spark, thats for sure, but theyre all infinetly better than buying beans in the supermarket or off a shelf 3 months after roasting.

    Crommo, I say go for it, freeze away. I would be inclined to pull out a small batch on a regular basis, to last a few days. Let them thaw overnight before use. But I also fully agree with the rest of the gang, you really should try homeroasting, popper or heatgun or whatever, the difference is *incredible*.

    welcome to the fold. **Group hug**

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    Re: To freeze or not to freeze?

    Before I started roasting I used to keep the beans I bought in the freezer and top up the hopper with beans straight from there. *Often I would be grinding beens that were frozen less than a *minute beforehand. *I couldnt hear, smell or taste the difference, and really, the beans I was using were great. *Or so I thought until I saw the light and joined the RIY crowd here. *I actually enjoy my twice weekly roasting sessions and, Crommo, believe us, it aint rocket science. *Have a go and youll be in heaven.



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