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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    There are a lot of opinions about storing brown beans and how long after roasting they are still capable of delivering a good cup of coffee. Now we know it varies from bean to bean but I think I have reached a new personal best with my current bag of WOW.
    I always store the beans on the bottom shelf of the fridge in their foil bag inside my CS calico bag. The beans usually last me around 5 weeks as I only fire the machine up on weekends. I usually find that they are getting a bit flat by the 5th week. Best cups between wk 2 & 4. This time I have been slow to use the beans which were roasted on 310310. I made a doppio ristretto this morning and I have to say that it was very good coffee - even with 8 week old beans. They have lost that nice fresh-coffee smell but do not yet smell stale. In terms of condition they look & feel nice and dry and non-greasy.
    Has anyone else still managed to get good coffee out of beans this old?

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    I have just done/doing some playing with frozen (commercial blend) compared to room temp storge for some fun Room temp is getting flat at 5 weeks frozen is better just when first opened but gets old really quick if you leave it a few days after thawing. I also have a fresh bag I got this week and the difference is fairly noticeable. The old ones are not bad just worse than they could be :-/

    I have had some lightly roasted ones lose their zip at 2 weeks but I am not sure if that is the bean or the roast.

    Only conclusion is that fresh is best :)

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    Re: Has-Beans?

    I personally do not understand how some people will say to pretty much throw out your beans after 3 weeks-ish. After my beans being roasted 4 weeks ago, my coffees have been incredible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2E343032332E36652F5D0 link=1275048223/2#2 date=1275062027
    I personally do not understand how some people will say to pretty much throw out your beans after 3 weeks-ish. After my beans being roasted 4 weeks ago, my coffees have been incredible!
    I dont have that problem in my household Simon, they are lucky to last a week, but I did a blend recently and it was still great at 22 days!! :)

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    My current opinion (which is subject to change as I learn more) is that it depends on the beans but in general coffee post 4 weeks is not as good as 1-4 weeks certainly but not chuck worthy. The quality slowly drops off and the coffee looses it zip and zest but is still ok. This is highly dependant on correct storage.

    As a snob I will always keep my beans in the "fresh zone" but for the general population post 4 weeks can be ok.

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    Im pretty sure that some of the staling happens in the absence of oxygen, and some is basically oxidation. So the total rate will depend on temperature, oxygen exposure, and age.

    This seems to match my experience. I do know that older beans, even kept cool and well sealed taste a little dumb and flat compared to fresh, although they are better than those stored open.

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    Another great pour this morning. Just finished a "short" long black followed by a Macca and both were pretty-well as good as anything Ive done. Im using the needle-stir of the grind in the basket and it appears to just add that little edge to every pour.
    Being hyper-critical, I would say the 8 week old beans mean an absence of the fresh-coffee bouquet that most of us enjoy, but in taste terms, hard to separate from fresh beans. I put a lot of this down to the quality of the WOW blend however.
    I dont plan to make a habit of using beans this old but it is good to know that it is possible to get a really good cup out of them if necessary. Now, to order some fresh ones....

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    Hi

    I am also interested in what snobs here would do if they had to store coffee beans for say 1 to 3 months. Of course it is better with fresh but just wondering. My sister puts them in the freezer, the above poster in the fridge. Which is better, if in the fridge at all?

    Is there some way of rejuvenating the beans, like heating in the oven after thawing them, if frozen or sitting in the cupboard.
    Just curious (not having a go) what is the advantage of using a calico bag if the beans are in a foil package?

    Cheers 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17353534293233343F5A0 link=1275048223/7#7 date=1275629516
    Hi

    I am also interested in what snobs here would do if they had to store coffee beans for say 1 to 3 months. Of course it is better with fresh but just wondering. My sister puts them in the freezer, the above poster in the fridge. Which is better, if in the fridge at all?

    Is there some way of rejuvenating the beans, like heating in the oven after thawing them, if frozen or sitting in the cupboard.
    Just curious (not having a go) what is the advantage of using a calico bag if the beans are in a foil package?

    Cheers *8-)
    Been done to death a 1001 times.. Use teh advanced search function and make sure you tic a date range and only one post per topic..

    Then sit back and read for a couple of days..

    There will always be some heated emotions as to the best way - Remember YOUR the best judge.

    Fit for purpose and its what in teh cup that counts..

    Go and try 10 different ways and report back..

    I can never store... Used by day 8 at best.. Some time by day 3 ::)

    But then I have a decompression chamber that is kept at an exact temp and ATM.. Just plays havoc with teh group temp ;)

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    Just finishing off a formally frozen bag of beans and dropping off badly now from its peak flavours. So fresh is best IMO but peak time varies from bean to bean and roast depth to roast depth.

    This is interesting reading http://www.home-barista.com/store-co...n-freezer.html on the FREEZER question and Fridge NEVER. Unless it is a wine fridge to keep fresh beans at there absolute best such as some places in Melbourne are now doing to avoid temp variation, I think they are running at 10-15 degrees???


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    Thanks Anger Management

    I typed in storing coffee beans into search and nothing came up which was surprising considering it is such an obvious question.

    As there was no luck there, or I am not doing it right, which being a Green bean is on the cards, I thought Id post for assistance.

    If answering noobs questions is such a pain for you, perhaps you would be better to check yourself back in to anger management and leave it up to a more understanding coffee snob to help us out here?

    Just a thought? ;)

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    Reply to Moonshine post: I typed in your search string in the search area and got 8 hits in the last 3 months alone. Try your search again as per Anger Ms instructions mate and you should have better luck.

    "Posts made in the last" was possibly what was missing in translation upon reflective re-read.

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    The reason the question about storage will keep getting asked is that it is one of the more important issues for coffee fans. If you have beans you need to find a way to store them that YOU think works.
    I am always amused to read that keeping them in the fridge is detrimental, because it works for me and frankly thats all I care about.
    If I had to try to explain why it works, I would say that it prevents the bean from going oily and rancid and keeps it dry. Of course there is a limit to how long a bean can be stored in the fridge (or anywhere) before it loses its freshness and for me this is somewhere in the 4 to 8 week range, varying dependent upon bean & roast.
    The calico bag? Yeah, probably not significant.

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    Thanks Rocky for for giving it your best shot :)

    Im looking for a more scientific answer to storing beans rather than relying on a what works for me approach here.

    With all of the interest in drinking quality coffee going on, Im hoping it is not an unreasonable expectation that some serious research has gone into storing coffee beans, as it is cheaper to purchase it in bulk.


    At a guess, Rocky, the answer probably includes what youve indicated, humidity, oils going rancid, timeline etc ???

    Its not rocket science so I have Googled storing coffee beans and there is info available there.

    Cheers :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07252524392223242F4A0 link=1275048223/13#13 date=1275916946
    Thanks Rocky for for giving it your best shot :)

    Im looking for a more scientific answer to storing beans rather than relying on a what works for me approach here.

    With all of the interest in drinking quality coffee going on, Im hoping it is not an unreasonable expectation that some serious research has gone into storing coffee beans, as it is cheaper to purchase it in bulk.


    At a guess, Rocky, the answer probably includes what youve indicated, humidity, oils going rancid, timeline etc ???

    Its not rocket science so I have Googled storing coffee beans and there is info available there.

    Cheers *:P
    Dozens upon dozens of posts and some great data here on CS.. Use teh advanced search feature and make sure you tick teh boxes that will give you the highest number of separate topics.

    There is no one best way.. The environmental factors all play a roll as well as teh beans them selves.. Further more as so often is teh case.. People ask what they think is a question, that must have a simple answer..

    Storing coffee does have simple solutions.. But with out teh scope of your needs / wants being provided; it is not so simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by 07252524392223242F4A0 link=1275048223/13#13 date=1275916946
    as it is cheaper to purchase it in bulk.
    1: Bulk buy in kg... 1 - 2 or 2 - 5 or 5 - 10 or even 20 kg plus of roasted beans ?

    2: What are you other requirements ???

    The issue is not teh storage... But how much at a time are you going to use..

    Those beans are hungry for moisture.. So teh moment you open ya bag you have breached its storage conditions and complicated teh whole process..

    One CSér does freeze etc when required and he actually does teh beans up in little packets.. That way... They are removed and used in a short time and minimises teh time they sit before use.. Like many things... Once thawed, their properties change and they often go staler even quicker.

    PS.. Instant is not immune... Get a can / jar of coffee and have some... Leave the lid off and check it out ever few hrs.. Drink some if ya game.. After 12 to 24 hrs.. Stale .. If high humidity... It will be kludgey and sticky..


    A quick search.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1272430765/0#0

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1270600377/9#9

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1269676092/0#0

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1259664543/0#0



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    Re: Has-Beans?

    Thanks Anger Management.

    I was a tad reactive to your opening sentence which came across as berating for asking the question.

    When ordering online, postage by Aus Post is in a prepaid satchel of 500g or 3kg.
    ikg would last me about a month, so what I am weighing up is whether to order 2 or 3kg at a time knowing that there will be some deterioration in quality by storing the beans to save a few bucks.

    Rather than going ahead and getting the 3kg to see if I notice the difference in the 2nd and then 3rd kilo when I get to them, Id rather find out from the experts what the research says will happen, a bit like a Choice magazine test which analyzes the results using different storage methods and list them in order of least deterioration in say weekly increments.

    This would allow me to determine whether to sacrifice a fresh 8/10 coffee for a 7/10 one to save $x per kilo? Im assuming I will be able to taste the difference?
    I am leaving room for improvement here as I am only using a Sunbeam and not an Expobar ;)

    Thanks for the links and info, I will check them out shortly.

    Cheers 8-)







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    I wouldnt be buying 3kg if consuming 1kg a month.
    Actually I do consume 1kg a month. ::)

    I home roast and occasionally buy local so fortunately dont have your dilemma.
    However, I have experimented and tasted my home roasted beans from day 1 right through to day 42 stored only in a one-way valved back kept in a cool dark place.

    The 6 week old stuff was definitely not to my liking but fellow workers still found it acceptable.
    Remember though, Im a coffee snob and they arent.

    Also, some beans/blends may last longer than this and other storage methods may also help longevity.

    The logical thing to do would be to put a small amount away and taste it after 2 months and 3 months; this will be what youd be tasting if you buy 3kg.

    Other possibilities:

    *Hook up with another local CS and share (where are you? Please update your profile).

    *Find a local (good) roaster.

    *Home roast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1528242C3E470 link=1275048223/12#12 date=1275908277
    I am always amused to read that keeping them in the fridge is detrimental, because it works for me and frankly thats all I care about.
    No so amusing really as a fridge especially a commercial one as I have seen done locally for storing beans is a wet and aroma filled enviroment.

    1 Moisture is well known to be detrimental to coffee.
    2 Other flavours in the fridge will also become absorbed by the beans as opened bags are not a perfect seal and the one way valves are not perfect either especially when going from a warm room back to a cold fridge where any air inside the bag will contract.
    3 Potential improvements by lowering the storage temp and removing most light are the only potential benifits.

    So it just doesnt stack up as ideal storage. As you live in Rockhampton Temp and Humidity are of a different level to those of us living further south granted a fridge may well be better than a warm moist cupboard but of the available devices open for most of us domestically Cupboard first, freezer second with careful sealing and never refreeze amd fridge last is the only locical conclusion.

    There is an exception to this Fridge discussion I mentioned above and that is a wine fridge these are set to higher temps than ordinary fridges and also run at much lower humidities than a conventional fridge due to controlled airflow for the better ones.

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    Re: Has-Beans?

    [QUOTE=393E3A353D372232353C5B0 link=1275048223/17#17 date=1275962446]
    Quote Originally Posted by 1528242C3E470 link=1275048223/12#12 date=1275908277

    There is an exception to this Fridge discussion I mentioned above and that is a wine fridge these are set to higher temps than ordinary fridges and also run at much lower humidities than a conventional fridge due to controlled airflow for the better ones.
    I have no idea what a normal fridge runs at but if it is a quality wine fridge it will have a least 55% humidity. Anything less is not ideal for storing a cork sealed wine bottle. Alot of people put trays of water in there fridges to get the % alot higher.


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    Re: Has-Beans?

    [QUOTE=40726174130 link=1275048223/18#18 date=1276165420]
    Quote Originally Posted by 393E3A353D372232353C5B0 link=1275048223/17#17 date=1275962446
    Quote Originally Posted by 1528242C3E470 link=1275048223/12#12 date=1275908277

    There is an exception to this Fridge discussion I mentioned above and that is a wine fridge these are set to higher temps than ordinary fridges and also run at much lower humidities than a conventional fridge due to controlled airflow for the better ones.
    I have no idea what a normal fridge runs at but if it is a quality wine fridge it will have a least 55% humidity. *Anything less is not ideal for storing a cork sealed wine bottle. Alot of people put trays of water in there fridges to get the % alot higher.
    Where in Australia do you find a cork sealed bottle of white wine nowadays? (thinks for a moment) other than sparkling. :)



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