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    Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Guys, please enlighten my knowledge. *Almost everyone on this website would agree that, fresh beans = good coffee, old beans = staled beans. *However, I have been told by one of the coffee roaster (which I won’t name) that, good tasting coffee doesn’t have to be from fresh beans!!

    The roaster argues that, by placing the bean in a proper storage (ie. in a fridge at around 4 degree C or below!!), would extend the life of the beans by slowing down the decaying process. *The result would be extending the shelf life by several weeks. *The taste of the coffee would not change as a result!!!

    After experimenting with the beans stored in the suggested manner up to 4 – 5 weeks old (after the roast date). *The result was not that great! *Actually it is quite inconstant from bags to bags. *Some bags have a smell of dry wood with long sticking after taste like when you just tasted a burn charcoal. *Some bags were actually quite good, with good amount of Creama and the coffee taste was quite strong with some aroma.

    Has anyone else experimented with the aging of beans VS storage? *What are the results?

    I am interested in the what could have caused the beans to dry with smells and taste of the dry wood in particular (ie. lightly burned wood smell)!!! *Was it caused by the actual roasting process? *But some bags from the same batch was OK!! .. ...

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Been done and dusted any number of time befor on CS.

    Use teh search feature and you will fine a couple of long and detailed posts on storing beans and the pros and cons of storing in a fridge.

    1: Can I store beans in a fridge = Yes
    2: Can I drive to Darwin from Melbourne = Yes

    However in both cases the Devil is in the detail and dependant on what you actually want, it may well not be a clean YES.

    2 + 2 = 5 for great coffee

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    if your in SYD why bother with old beans..........

    just get them fresh from a better roaster

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    As AM says, there is a considerable body of opinion on this subject, HOWEVER it is one that is close to my heart due to the fact that I live a long way from high quality supplies and therefore have to store my beans for several weeks as I slowly work my way through them.
    I use only high quality beans and I store them for up to 5 weeks on the bottom shelf of the fridge. I only take the beans out of the fridge long enough to get the quantity for my current pour. The reason for this is that the moment cool beans meet warm air moisture forms on them which I feel cannot be good over time. I find that some beans hold better than others (Ceja de Selva for e.g.) but IMHO they all hold well for up to 4 weeks when treated in this way. It is of course also worth noting that some beans are not at their best until a week or so after roasting. Again, IMHO, beans left out of the fridge go stale within a week in the warm temperatures of Central Queensland. Hope this may be of some interest.

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 465254544E42455240404646270 link=1266833073/0#0 date=1266833073
    The roaster argues that, by placing the bean in a proper storage (ie. in a fridge at around 4 degree C or below!!), would extend the life of the beans by slowing down the decaying process.The result would be extending the shelf life by several weeks.The taste of the coffee would not change as a result!!!
    Sounds like an excuse for them to be able to sell slow moving coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1A353C3E29163A353A3C3E363E352F5B0 link=1266833073/1#1 date=1266833714
    Use the search feature and you will fine a couple of long and detailed posts on storing beans and the pros and cons of storing in a fridge.

    Now I know how to search this site properly... Been a few months since I thought the search feature on this site was crap... *Changing "This post was made in the last..." from week to all posts did the trick. * :P

    Thanks Rocky for the useful feedback. *The part I didnt understand was why there were inconsistency on the state of the bean, when it was stored in the same place + same roasting date! *Maybe It was how I placed the bean bags? *laying it down flat on top of each other *ie. 4x1kg bags on top of one another.....

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 031711110B07001705050303620 link=1266833073/0#0 date=1266833073
    After experimenting with the beans stored in the suggested manner up to 4 – 5 weeks old (after the roast date).The result was not that great!Actually it is quite inconstant from bags to bags.Some bags have a smell of dry wood with long sticking after taste like when you just tasted a burn charcoal.Some bags were actually quite good, with good amount of Creama and the coffee taste was quite strong with some aroma.
    is it bag to bag differences youre getting or bean to bean? will the same coffee, stored in 2 very slightly different parts of your fridge give different results? Maybe its just that some coffees are more sensitive to the way youre storing them than others.

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 063B373F2D540 link=1266833073/3#3 date=1266835006
    I live a long way from high quality supplies
    time to grab a popper and try ya hand at home roasting! ;)

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 0501273E3E3B24333C520 link=1266833073/7#7 date=1266867811
    time to grab a popper and try ya hand at home roasting!
    And a CS greens starter pack, youll soon be loathe to use anything but the best fresh browns, grab the roasted pack at the same time as the greens to see what we mean. You can pick up a popper at a discount shop for under $15, but it may not last long once you get hooked ;D (first crack they say) ;D

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    WSully & coffee mum - Yes, agreed. Im only a couple of years off retirement and Im saving the treat of home roasting for that. Im very happy with the coffee Im getting from my brown beans but I figure there is probably a further step-up to be achieved with home roasting. Not sure whether the palate is capable of appreciating the improvement however. I have been a wine snob for 40 years and think I reached the limit of my palate many years ago.

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 5158435A515C54390 link=1266833073/6#6 date=1266867011
    is it bag to bag differences youre getting or bean to bean? will the same coffee, stored in 2 very slightly different parts of your fridge give different results? Maybe its just that some coffees are more sensitive to the way youre storing them than others.
    Its bag to bag, stored as below comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by 584C4A4A505C5B4C5E5E5858390 link=1266833073/5#5 date=1266842749
    Thanks Rocky for the useful feedback.The part I didnt understand was why there were inconsistency on the state of the bean, when it was stored in the same place + same roasting date!Maybe It was how I placed the bean bags?laying it down flat on top of each other ie. 4x1kg bags on top of one another..... *

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    I dont understand why youre not having this discussion with your Roaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10313A3A3D27540 link=1266833073/11#11 date=1266957131
    I dont understand why youre not having this discussion with your Roaster? *
    He may be!!! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F6E656562780B0 link=1266833073/11#11 date=1266957131
    I dont understand why youre not having this discussion with your Roaster?
    I have.. + my situation is a little more complicated than just switching supplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E7A7C7C666A6D7A68686E6E0F0 link=1266833073/13#13 date=1266966290
    a little more complicated than just switching supplier.
    Wasnt suggesting switching.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E7A7C7C666A6D7A68686E6E0F0 link=1266833073/13#13 date=1266966290
    I have
    So, what did he say about your findings?

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Your experience with wine, IMO, is directly related to coffee.

    Storing freshly roasted beans, completely sealed, in the fridge is going to be different to storing an opened and re-sealed packet. Think of the storage fridges for fine wines as opposed to storing a half finished bottle. ;)

    No matter what the storage medium, some chemical changes happen, some wines/beans respond well to those changes, some turn to muck.

    And as with wine, the final arbiter of what you like is your palate.

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Fridge storage - some coffee houses in Melbourne are using wine fridges to store their beans in as you can control humidity and temp with them, not sure but I think I saw one running at 12 degrees? So they are not running them anywhere near 3 or 4 degrees like a house fridge so there is no comparison. Normal fridges are cold moist enviroments and one way valves will allow some moisture back in as well as letting gas out also they contain odours from other foods :P

    A local cafe used to store their open 3kg bags of Genovese in their normal food fridge and depending on how long their bag had been in their the coffee was rubbish. I had a quiet word in one of their barristas ears (she works for me too) coffee is now coming in 1kg bags and going in a dark cupboard. The 1/2kg bags I brought of Genovese from them were SO much better in taste.

    There was a fairly comprehensive blind test done by some Canadians I think on fridge, fresh to freezer over a fair period of time so I will see if I can find the link again. Bottom line was fresh was better but frozen if used quickly wasnt a lot worse.

    Bean taste does vary a lot depending on age and some varietals are bland and dull by week 3 and 4 while some are only getting really good by week 3. A couple of recent expensive bags I had were quite noticably not at their peak by late week 2 as a Syphon, still really nice but had lost some of the high notes while the $10 blend from Veneziano was still great as an Espresso after 3 weeks.

    "Its what is in the cup that counts" is a phrase I like, if it tastes good consistantly is the only thing that really matters and if you can buy fresh as you need it then its better I reckon

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 436269696E74070 link=1266833073/14#14 date=1266968371
    So, what did he say about your findings?
    that it was my fault for not adjusting the grinder properly!!! I had a laugh...

    Quote Originally Posted by 65626669616B7E6E6960070 link=1266833073/16#16 date=1266988856
    some coffee houses in Melbourne are using wine fridges to store their beans in as you can control humidity and temp with them,
    I was thinking of that as well, but we have issue with space so....

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Time for a new supplier SPL.G

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 64666A62626C6B76050 link=1266833073/18#18 date=1267047350
    Time for a new supplier SPL.G
    Id second that...

    If your supplier reckons thats the go, they have no interest in coffee whatsoever....

    For mine, they can do whatever they like with it- pack it in a titanium capsule and flush it with argon gas and then install a 100 way valve which selectively vents only chosen gases. I reckon its all just marketing babble to explain away uniform(ly past peak) coffee....I guess if its all 6 months old, then it will be consistent.

    Id much prefer to drink mine fresh....whatever the biggies say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 352127273D31362133333535540 link=1266833073/17#17 date=1267012859
    Dennis wrote on Yesterday at 10:39:
    So, what did he say about your findings?

    that it was my fault for not adjusting the grinder properly!!! I had a laugh...
    Oh. :o

    Well, if you ever decide to flip give me a call.

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    If switching suppliers is on the card then life would have been so much easier!! *But no, it is not an option for me Im afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4541677E7E7B64737C120 link=1266833073/7#7 date=1266867811
    Rocky wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010, 9:36pm:

    I live a long way from high quality supplies time to grab a popper and try ya hand at home roasting!
    This is so easy and innexpensive youll rue not doing it earlier! Even if (like friends of mine) you are laboured with 6minute roasts at the outset, you will taste the difference of not stale. 10 000 members is not a fluke!

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    Re: Old Coffee beans does not affect the taste of the coffee !!!

    Popper gets my vote and when you retire you can work your way to Corretto or whatever floats your boat.

    Lifes too short for stale coffee and fresh coffee is too easy ! : ;)



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