Due to upgrade (to what else... a Rocket Giotto Premium Plus) I have my ECM Giotto Premium for sale and CSers get the first shot at it before it goes elsewhere ;)
I bought this machine around 18 months ago from a friend. He is very much (professionally) into coffee and very fussy, so I know that the machine was well looked after as this was his home machine. I too have kept it clean and am very meticulous in doing so. The previous owner said that he didn’t use it for much of the time he had it (6-12 months) and was packed up in a box, which is why he sold it to me.
I have the box, packaging and all the bits that came with it – 2 x group handles, single/double/blank baskets and plastic tamper. I have not had any hassles with it.
The machine does not have any major marks around the body. There are some usual scuffs on the cup warmer and some light scratches on the drip tray and front. I would describe the machine as being in good condition for its age.
I make about 10 cups a week on average on it and clean it after each day and perform a back flush every weekend; using chemicals every 6 weeks or so to clean. I have recently changed shower screen as part of routine maintenance.
Now to be honest, it really hard to put a price on this as I have not seen one for sale for a while (except for one for auction which finished on Monday) and I have been told anywhere between $1600 and $1900 so I have put a tag of $1750 on it to start with. I will take reasonable offers so I guess the market will set the price. I am in no great rush to sell so am happy to wait a bit in order to get the right price to pay for my new toy.
Feel free to ask questions. I can email more photos too if required.
Strong preference given for pickup - Canberra, but am able to pack in the original box if buyer is prepared to take the risk AND to organise a courier to pickup. I *may* be able to organise a skid/pallet to put the machine on for the courier.
And one more...
damm two amazing machines go up for sale in one week ...both too far north from where i live :-[ ....best of luck to someone, this is a great machine and a great price! nice upgrade by the way java ;D
re "nice upgrade by the way java" * to be honest, I dont think I can taste a difference between the new / old machines... well not in my amateur hands. The new Plus is shinier though :)
Forgot to add... filtered water has always been used to fill the tank.
javaboy if you dont mind me asking, what is the difference between the the "Premium" and "Premium Plus"??
Look a very nice machine! Good luck with the sale. ;)
A simple websearch or CS search and voila: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163933911/1#1Originally Posted by 3232323C3039393A3A5F0 link=1247719616/6#6 date=1248260312
legend 2mcm as usual!!
This machine looks in a good condition. How old is it? 8-)
Yeah its in great nick... sitting right next to the new Giotto Plus ATM, *it makes it hard to tell which is the new machine! * ;)Originally Posted by 7A6F6F7C707E7A767D7C70150 link=1247719616/9#9 date=1248685399
Was bought by the original owner mid-late 2005. Serial number is 200411xxxx
For those who dont know, this means a November 2004 build...Originally Posted by 4E455245464B5D240 link=1247719616/10#10 date=1248687367
Hi, can I ask ur reason for upgrading so soon? Did your friend that u bought it from upgrade too? :)
Reason for upgrade... no reason really, sorry I cant give you a better answer than that. I am sure many CSers can relate to that ;)
"reason for upgrading so soon" - 18 months is a long time for me (you can ask my wife!) *;D Prior to that I had a Saeco automatic (approx 4 months) and Sunbeam EM6910 (around 3 months, or less even)
Guess I am someone that just likes shiny new things... and I treat coffee making as a hobby.
No the guy that I bought it off didnt get anything else, he works in the industry so had access to commercial machines for his coffee which is why he no longer needed this.
WOW, thats a few different machines. How did u find the Saeco Automatic and the Sunbeam? Im guessing not that good given the short amount of time u had them. ;DOriginally Posted by 6F647364676A7C050 link=1247719616/13#13 date=1248859098
I know u have said in an earlier post that you couldnt really taste the difference between the 2 but now that you have both what are the obvious differences to the amateur? I have read the review about the upgrades on the cs review but am interested in your thoughts?
(mods sorry if the topic is heading off a bit)....
Saeco automatic was OK. Didnt have a problem with it (apart from crappy Saeco service in Canberra... but thats by-the-by). It had its plusses: quick, no mess/fuss, cheaper machine. Coffee tasted OK (more of a vending machine style) - but thats a matter of personal preference, some may like this. For my purposes it was fine, until I had a coffee out of a real espresso machine at a friends place (Silvia/Rocky combo). So I decided that I needed to get a manual machine... the cons for this was the more money, extra fuss/mess, grinder required, extra time required etc. For me it made better coffee and that outweighed the cons. I was also prepared to put in the time and effort to get the techniques right. But again that was a matter of personal preference. So I got the Sunbeam EM6910 and the Sunbeam burr grinder (EM480?) which was good value at less than $700 for the pair.
Sunbeam was fine for me and going great guns... great value for money but then the offer for the Giotto Premium (the one currently on sale) came up and decided to make the jump. The advantage was better milk stretch and overall better coffee taste *for me personally. Cons of course was the cost to get the machine and also to get a matching grinder capability so "had" to get a Macap M4D.
As for your question about the difference betwen the GP and GPP: my thoughts are that for my money & expertise there is not that big a difference. There are some aesthetic changes which I do like, namely the new feel/action of the steam/water handles and I like the *look* of drip tray grill design (although the grill is not the same height as the drip tray sides, so jugs dont sit properly and tend to wobble or tilt when placed on both surfaces simultaneously), which is a pain. There is meant to be better steaming horse-power but I personally cannot notice it. I found the machine to be slightly more forgiving in the beginning but the recent coffees I have made have disproved that theory. I should add, that for me, a layperson "commercial pressure-stat", "10mm tubing" doesnt mean a thing... as it certainly doesnt translate into any better results in the coffee taste (which is what I happen call my "yardstick"). Looks is also a big part of my "yardstick" but since they both look fairly similar, it doesnt matter as I liked the style of the GP anyway.
Blindfold test: I guess if someone could modify the machines to have the same feel, handles, shape etc. and I put a blindfold on and made coffee on each (and of course thats *if* I could do a coffee blindfolded!) and tasted it, I could not tell which coffee came from which machine. Again this is my experience... the aficionados amongst us my beg to differ. Having said all that, I was advised all this by other people that there would not be that much of a difference before I upgraded (especially given the difference in costs) but I still wanted to upgrade... This was also the advice given by both the people that sold me the original AND the new Giottos. There were other factors of course to consder eg. 4yo machine vs. new one and such. I guess like I said I did so because: I like shiney new things and I have a very sympathetic wife! *If I had to choose again, despite the seemingly lack of tangible results in the resultant coffee taste I would probably still upgrade to the GPP from the GP (but thats just me and under my circumstances). I treat coffee making as a hobby and know that I will be doing it for a long time and love to learn and to try things out and also have to have the latest and greatest (thats just how I am wired up internally!).
Basically what I am trying to get at is that all this is relative... everything depends on your personal circumstances: how much money you want to spend, how much time you have to learn the techniques/read-up/you-tube, how interested are you in the coffee making experience, what you think is "good coffee" etc. so it would be hard for you to translate my personal experience, directly into yours. ie. YMMV.
I should add, that it each point along the way, you will probably say to yourself: "this is it, I dont need to upgrade anymore. This is the ultimate machine". I certainly said this, starting from the Saeco, through the Sunbeam and Giotto. My advice is that if you KNOW that you enjoy making and drinking coffee and KNOW that you will enjoy learning new techniques, spending time to experiment for years to come THEN get the best manual machine / grinder you can afford first up. If you DONT KNOW all this yet, then get something a bit cheaper and then perhaps upgrade if you feel the need to.
I have attached a photo of the old GP and the new GPP side-by-side FYI. Good luck on your journey!
hi, surveyt here.
Am very keen on your machine and would like to make offer. Locality is an issue but not to worry!!
Whats the status of the machine to date?
Still for sale. Please send me a PM with your offer.
For those looking to organise courier quotes, the approx. box dimensions are: 42 x 51 x 58 cms
Approx. weight = *26kg
This does not include skid weight/dimensions (again thats if I can get my hands on one)
We are interested in the machine. We live in Turner, but will be out and about today. Any chance of calling in and having a look?
PM sentOriginally Posted by 4E5752554D5F3A0 link=1247719616/19#19 date=1249170778
Machine is sold. Thanks all.